Cool show, weird plot, but what totally ruined for me was... Travis Fimmel. IMO this guy has zero range. Always the same lazy, drunk-ish style since, I don't know, Vikings. Ragnar in Kattegat, Ragnar in Azeroth, Ragnar in space, Ragnar in Dune.
Raised by Wolves Is Original Sci-Fi at Its Most Polarizing (2020)
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#52Cool show, weird plot, but what totally ruined for me was... Travis Fimmel. IMO this guy has zero range. Always the same lazy, drunk-ish style since, I don't know, Vikings. Ragnar in Kattegat, Ragnar in Azeroth, Ragnar in space, Ragnar in Dune.
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The expanse drop was entirely due to budget cuts from amazon, who were going to cancel it but didn't because Jeff Bezos liked the show. They did get a budget cut and had to make some decisions about how to execute the story with more limited resources. They still did a pretty good job imho, but would love to have seen what they could have done with full budget.
If this is true, why couldn't Bezos bankroll the show to maintain its quality?
Because billionaires can't love anything more than they love money.
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#54The first season was excellent, and then in the 2nd season they did ruin lots of the story lines with just lame choices, and then the ending went completely downhill for me. It pissed me off, just like GoT. There was this other series called Murderbot which had some similarities in the setting of the story. It was not that great compared to the 1st season of Raised by Wolves, but it was consistent throughout the whol…
The murder bot books are a bit silly from the get go, so the show leaned into the campy vibe to sell the comedic aspect. As someone who loves the book, I think the show is a 10/10 for capturing the feeling. Though if you where expecting as more serious scifi I can see why you think it's of inferior quality.
I quite like the show, even though it feels a bit more like a young adult series.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
The expanse drop was entirely due to budget cuts from amazon, who were going to cancel it but didn't because Jeff Bezos liked the show. They did get a budget cut and had to make some decisions about how to execute the story with more limited resources. They still did a pretty good job imho, but would love to have seen what they could have done with full budget.
If this is true, why couldn't Bezos bankroll the show to maintain its quality?
Because it was worth a little but not a lot to him? I'll pay $20 for an audiobook, but I won't pay $100 for one.
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I’ve been listening to the audiobooks of the expanse via our local library. Absolutely fantastic series — you are spot on! Also, remember to support your local library.
I watched and read the entire series. Much of it is boring and poorly written both from a style perspective as well as character development. It’s famous but doesn’t live up to many scifi masterpieces imo.
The fascinating thing to me about _The Expanse_ is the disparity between the Novels and the TV Show. It's the same content, but in a different medium and environment.
I would call the novels well executed, enjoyable and very readable action adventures, using well-worn tropes. There is nothing ground-breaking in them. It's not what's currently at the edges of the genre in the written form - It's not Greg Egan, it aint Ted Chiang or Adrian Tchaikovsky. M. John Harrison does not make an appearance. It's not even Stephen Baxter, Alastair Reynolds or Iain M. Banks.
The TV show however, is quite something, it is one of the flagship sci-fi TV series. And it does indicate that written and visual sci-fi might be different stages of development , with the TV version lagging by decades.
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The first season of The Expanse was great. Then it got progressively more meh with each season. (obviously my personal opinion eh?) For a really nerdy-oriented SF series try Three Body i.e. the 2023 Tencent version of The Three Body Problem. Again in my opinion the 2024 Netflix version, was one of the boringest things I've ever watched. I'm pretty sure if that had been my introduction to the Rememberance of Earth Pas…
Have you compared the 26-episode (Director's Cut / Anniversary Edition) and 30-episode versions of the Tencent series? There's also a 6h fan edit, https://disembiggened.com .
No, I hadn't. Thanks! Although it's a bit late now- I've already binged the original twice :)
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#58This is one I really didn't like. It's just too weird for me. It thrns my stomach to even think about it. Really dusgusting somehow. I say this as a big fan of horror and sci-fi and Alien* in particular.
Why? Is it the androids raising children or something else?
The extremely poor acting and non-sensical plot turned me off.
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I watched and read the entire series. Much of it is boring and poorly written both from a style perspective as well as character development. It’s famous but doesn’t live up to many scifi masterpieces imo.
What would you recommend?
Alastair Reynolds "Revelation Space" series was really good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_Space_series
Also, both the "Children of Time" and "Shadows of the Apt" series by Adrian Tchaikovsky are excellent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Tchaikovsky#Bibliograph...
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Have you compared the 26-episode (Director's Cut / Anniversary Edition) and 30-episode versions of the Tencent series? There's also a 6h fan edit, https://disembiggened.com .
Which one would you recommend? I loved the first book but hated the Netflix series.
Start with 6h english-dubbed edit, then you still have the longer and/or subtitled edits for deeper dive.