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Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by potato3732842 »

username332211 wrote: post #22

I feel the ship has sailed here. Once the police started to record every interaction with the public, along with their existing habit of placing traffic cameras left and right, they acquired enough data to track people. Trying to restrict the analysis of existing data is never going to work. The police can always point to some death that wouldn't have happened, if they had ran Flock's software on their surveillance f…

> The police can always point to some death that wouldn't have happened

Why must it be this way?

Because we're a bunch of bitch-ass pansies unwilling to tell our fellow countrymen (and women) to shove it when they permit the use of such logic.

I don't care "how many children need to die" or whatever, the sum total of the affronts upon our freedom a is not worth it. What even is the point of caring about the children if we're giving them a totalitarian dump to inherit?

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by potato3732842 »

Manuel_D wrote: post #5

Courts have previously held that heuristics based determinations are not sufficient to serve as probable cause. E.g. "predictive policing" technologies can be used for e.g. scheduling officers to different areas, but aren't valid to conduct a search. If this feature is used to make an arrest, there's a good chance the case would be thrown out.

If this feature is used to make an arrest, there's a good chance the case would be thrown out.

They'll just parallel construct the crap out of it and get their arrest anyway.

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by potato3732842 »

superultra wrote: post #25

I live in the neighborhood where Flock started. The three Georgia Tech grads moved into a house in the West End in Atlanta. It’s a great neighborhood but like any urban neighborhood, you often deal with car break-in’s, so the roommates built a prototype security cam. All fine so far. Except that the direction it was pointed at was the neighborhood middle school. Which means these three notably white college students…

Even if you leave the race baiting out it's still wholly unacceptable.

Change the race of the parties up all you want and it doesn't change a thing.

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by potato3732842 »

troyvit wrote: post #38
chung8123 wrote: post #2

Are there IR lights you can put on your license plate to block cameras from taking pictures of it?

What would happen if you stenciled paintings of license-plate-like patterns all over the back of your car? Then you're not tampering with the plate itself, but I guess you end up with a goofy-lookin' car.

Why do you think tons of fleets have 6-char alphanumeric vehicle IDs?

Gotta have some number on the thing for your own ID purposes and if it saves tou a $50 semi truck toll bill 1/500th of the time that's icing on the cake.

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by _mlbt »

asacrowflies wrote: post #44
_mlbt wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Also ignoring the large proportion of citizens getting swept up with no due process or legal rights. We even have cases of citizens ending up in foreign prisons and only getting returned after extensive legal battles lead by Congress members... The average poor us citizen with no PR or viral marketing .... is just disappeared

> large proportion of citizens getting swept up with no due process or legal rights

Can you give me a few examples of this? I can’t find evidence to support what you’re saying here.

> We even have cases of citizens ending up in foreign prisons and only getting returned after extensive legal battles lead by Congress members

Are you referring to the “Maryland man” here? Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not a US citizen.

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by beefnugs »

Ntrails wrote: post #26
username332211 wrote: post #22

I feel the ship has sailed here. Once the police started to record every interaction with the public, along with their existing habit of placing traffic cameras left and right, they acquired enough data to track people. Trying to restrict the analysis of existing data is never going to work. The police can always point to some death that wouldn't have happened, if they had ran Flock's software on their surveillance f…

> Once the police started to record every interaction with the public I don't think this is true? As far as I can tell any time the recording is mentioned in a complaint at the police behaviour the camera was off due to [battery life|maintenance|other].

Actually now that they have all pervasive surveillance, there is real evidence to be used against them in incompetence and allowing crimes to occur. This is not going to go the way they hoped

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by ben_w »

netsharc wrote: post #27
pjc50 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/emiliano-s-agents-left-beh... ICE are to a large extent above the law. Their entire purpose is to snatch people and move them to locations where they can be denied legal redress. A couple of high profile cases have only got redress due to very dedicated intervention by congresspeople, which does not scale. I think people need to start reckoning with the underlying problem, which is t…

Geez, East Germany's State Security, but with supremely better surveillance tech, and AI. Curious how "Homeland Security" and "State Security" are equivalent names. Looking forward to a "Report suspicious neighbors"-program next. Your neighbor made fun of Trump? Report this unamerican activity to Kristi Noem!

> Curious how "Homeland Security" and "State Security" are equivalent names.

Yes, but the unfortunate thing with names is that people get to pick them to sound however they want.

This is why the official name of the Berlin Wall translates as "anti-fascist protection barrier", along with all the examples that probably inspired 1984 (written in 48, so before the wall).

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by g42gregory »

And you think OpenAI, Anthropic, and Co. will not do exactly the same, when you engage in a wrongthink?

Larry Ellison said it best a few months ago: "AI will keep you on your best behavior"[1].

[1] Meeting with Sam Altman, President Trump, and Masayoshi Son, announcing $500 million infrastructure deal.

Re: Flock Now Using AI to Report to Police If Our Movement Patterns Are "Suspicious"

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Post by ultrarunner »

beefnugs wrote: post #57
Ntrails wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once the police started to record every interaction with the public I don't think this is true? As far as I can tell any time the recording is mentioned in a complaint at the police behaviour the camera was off due to [battery life|maintenance|other].

Actually now that they have all pervasive surveillance, there is real evidence to be used against them in incompetence and allowing crimes to occur. This is not going to go the way they hoped

What difference does it make if they allow crimes to occur? They have no duty to protect.
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