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Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by CalRobert »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #50
CalRobert wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the speed limit for the whole street (or road, if it isn’t a street) should be 20 mph then? To elaborate - ideally there would be a street redesign in that area so 20 mph felt like the right speed. Narrowing, more visual obstructions, etc.

I'm aware of how natural speed limits work. And my point is these are frequently major roads that are miles long, not residential streets. Major arterial roads, sometimes state highways.

How do you propose ensuring safety for kids walking and biking to school in these places?

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by CalRobert »

userbinator wrote: post #35
russdill wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The road that runs next to my local elementary is 50mph, 25mph when children present.

That sounds like they should just build a fence and keep it at 50.

How does that help kids walking or biking to school?

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by xboxnolifes »

CalRobert wrote: post #51
xboxnolifes wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware of how natural speed limits work. And my point is these are frequently major roads that are miles long, not residential streets. Major arterial roads, sometimes state highways.

How do you propose ensuring safety for kids walking and biking to school in these places?

In the kinds of places I am thinking about, step one is choosing not to build directly on a major road, miles away from residences. Which is not always realistic, when residences are miles apart from one another. The decision for safety needed to be made about a dozen decisions ago in those situations. What is left is busing kids home.

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by bravesoul2 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #40
bravesoul2 wrote: post #30

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I am haven't seen a US school. What about walking? I'm guessing most people use the school bus or get driven then?

One suburban town near me forbids approach on foot or bike. I’ve heard of places where CPS was called about kids walking to school.

Wow what a dystopia

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by scherlock »

t-writescode wrote: post #22

I've been reading the law, linked in the news site; and, the document says, among many other things, in 316.0776(3)(a), (emphasis mine) "the county or municipality MUST NOTIFY the public that a speed detection system may be in use BY POSTING SIGNAGE indicating photographic or video enforcement of the school zone speed limits. Such signage SHALL CLEARLY DESIGNATE THE TIME PERIOD DURING WHICH THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMI…

We have a 3 way intersection with lights outside my kid's elementary school. 30 min before and after the school day begins and ends, there is no right on red. There is a sign that says "no right on red during x times". There is a red arrow for the right hand turn. The crossing guard stops cars EVERY DAY that try to turn. The cops come out and ticket once a week during the school year and it persists. So yeah, I can see 500,000 violations a year. A majority of drivers really don't look, so yeah, f'em.

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by lazyasciiart »

russdill wrote: post #9
lazyasciiart wrote: post #6

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Frankly, any county where the cash grab is done through automated speed cameras is probably blessed with a more honest and safer police force. And it is certainly one where the fines are levied more equitably across different races.

Lol, this would be assuming police have no control over placement of the speed cameras.

No, it just has to assume that they can’t turn them on or off depending on what color the driver approaching seems to be.

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by adrianN »

CalRobert wrote: post #51
xboxnolifes wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware of how natural speed limits work. And my point is these are frequently major roads that are miles long, not residential streets. Major arterial roads, sometimes state highways.

How do you propose ensuring safety for kids walking and biking to school in these places?

Enforcing safe speeds a few hundred meters around a school doesn't help much for biking or walking when the rest of the infrastructure remains deadly. Placing the school there is just a bad choice if you want children to come to school independently from their parents.

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by russdill »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #57
russdill wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, this would be assuming police have no control over placement of the speed cameras.

No, it just has to assume that they can’t turn them on or off depending on what color the driver approaching seems to be.

Do I really need to spell out the technique of placing cameras on predominately minority neighborhoods?

Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose

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Post by lazyasciiart »

russdill wrote: post #59
lazyasciiart wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it just has to assume that they can’t turn them on or off depending on what color the driver approaching seems to be.

Do I really need to spell out the technique of placing cameras on predominately minority neighborhoods?

No, you just need to get over yourself and admit that it is less precise than simply picking the individual driver.
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