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Re: Anaconda Raises $150M Series C

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Post by lvl155 »

matrss wrote: post #29

Anaconda != the conda ecosystem != Python Everyone who is comparing Anaconda and conda to Astral and uv is missing that the conda ecosystem is language-agnostic while uv is python specific. uv won't help you install gfortran, for example. It is not a replacement, unless you only do python (and use at most common non-python libraries that are available on PyPI). On the other hand you don't have to use anything associa…

And how many people (count them with fingers) use Conda for anything other than Python? It’s a bloatware. People stopped using Conda because these people kept making the bloat worse.

Re: Anaconda Raises $150M Series C

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Post by Balinares »

myth_drannon wrote: post #22
specproc wrote: post #3

Where's Anaconda at these days? I've not touched it since starting out with Python and don't think I've touched it since discovering other package managers. Anyone here using it regularly in 2025, is there anything I'm missing out on?

Setting up a python environment for ML work (pytorch + Nvidia) is simpler with Anaconda, it's a pure dependency nightmare doing it with something else.

Counterpoint: conda is a constant, neverending source of pure dependency nightmares here, that consistently costs us a two-digit percentage of velocity. I'm glad it's working for you, but I really wouldn't generalize. Or recommend it to anyone getting into Python. Use uv, new people, for real.

Re: Anaconda Raises $150M Series C

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Post by matrss »

lvl155 wrote: post #51
matrss wrote: post #29

Anaconda != the conda ecosystem != Python Everyone who is comparing Anaconda and conda to Astral and uv is missing that the conda ecosystem is language-agnostic while uv is python specific. uv won't help you install gfortran, for example. It is not a replacement, unless you only do python (and use at most common non-python libraries that are available on PyPI). On the other hand you don't have to use anything associa…

And how many people (count them with fingers) use Conda for anything other than Python? It’s a bloatware. People stopped using Conda because these people kept making the bloat worse.

A single one of the gfortran packages released about 20 hours ago already has 362 downloads, so I think it is safe to say that the non-python users of conda-forge are more than just a handful.

If you don't need it that's fine, no one is stopping you from using PyPI and uv instead. But for some that is not a replacement.

And yes, some things about conda(-forge) could be described as bloated. I particularly dislike the convoluted packaging process.

It is always tradeoffs and deciding based on your own use cases. E.g. if you want to distribute tested packages to users of your software then both conda-forge and PyPI are ill-suited for you. They (and most other package managers) do install-time dependency resolution, so the installation cannot be guaranteed to be tested as working at all. Some package managers do that better, so is conda-forge and PyPI obsolete now?

Re: Anaconda Raises $150M Series C

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Post by lvl155 »

matrss wrote: post #53
lvl155 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how many people (count them with fingers) use Conda for anything other than Python? It’s a bloatware. People stopped using Conda because these people kept making the bloat worse.

A single one of the gfortran packages released about 20 hours ago already has 362 downloads, so I think it is safe to say that the non-python users of conda-forge are more than just a handful. If you don't need it that's fine, no one is stopping you from using PyPI and uv instead. But for some that is not a replacement. And yes, some things about conda(-forge) could be described as bloated. I particularly dislike the…

See, why are you adding forge in there? Why do you think forge exists?

Re: Anaconda Raises $150M Series C

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gonzalohm wrote: post #17

For people asking who uses Anaconda nowadays. I work with less technical users and the problem with UV is that the installation instructions are slightly more complicated. For users that just want conda to download python + a bunch of packages and won't ever bother to create environments, anaconda will always be superior. Now, if UV bundles with a "default python version" with an installer, that may change things.

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Re: Anaconda Raises $150M Series C

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Post by matrss »

lvl155 wrote: post #55
matrss wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A single one of the gfortran packages released about 20 hours ago already has 362 downloads, so I think it is safe to say that the non-python users of conda-forge are more than just a handful. If you don't need it that's fine, no one is stopping you from using PyPI and uv instead. But for some that is not a replacement. And yes, some things about conda(-forge) could be described as bloated. I particularly dislike the…

See, why are you adding forge in there? Why do you think forge exists?

What does it change? Conda-forge users are users of the conda ecosystem. You suggested there is only a handful of those that use it not for python, I provided a counter point.

Or did I misunderstand you and what you meant with "conda" was either anaconda, or conda-the-software? But then the comment about Python doesn't make much sense.

Re: Anaconda Raises $150M Series C

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

matrss wrote: post #29

Anaconda != the conda ecosystem != Python Everyone who is comparing Anaconda and conda to Astral and uv is missing that the conda ecosystem is language-agnostic while uv is python specific. uv won't help you install gfortran, for example. It is not a replacement, unless you only do python (and use at most common non-python libraries that are available on PyPI). On the other hand you don't have to use anything associa…

I admit I'm not super well versed in what conda's main uses are. Python's whole tooling situation has felt like a nightmare & I've tried to keep far away, but I've had to face it a lot more recently because it's so prevalent for AI. Thankfully uv seems to have done a huge amount of what I need.

Still, if the concern is language-agnostic ways to use tooling, mise (nee rtx) is the 1000 pound gorilla in the room today. Incredibly fast well built Rust based tool that has really massively expanded in scope & offerings, with grace & elegance. I thought it was an asdf replacement, for installing/using toolchains, for .tool-versions files. But it's really grown to be a lot more, capable of letting you isolatedly manage tools it can install from a huge variety of backends (pip, npm, cargo, others). https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/backends/

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