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The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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One important detail is that fonts themselves have their own hinting rendering tables so authors can decide how fonts will be rendered on low dpi screens. This is tedious and expensive. And you guessed it many libre fonts simply dont do it right or have capacity to do it at all.

Thats why there can be quite big quality jump when you compare it to fonts from big design teams from Apple or Microsoft. Not only the font might be a bit worse, the rendering/hinting is often way worse.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, subpixel rendering is absent from MacOS and makes it very difficult to using regular ol' 1920x1080 screens with modern MacOS. Yes, those Retina displays look nice, but it's a shame that lower res screens do not because they work perfectly fine except for the font rendering.

My first (and last) 1920x1080 monitor was 50lb CRT I picked up on the side of the road, in 2003. I haven't owned a smartphone with a screen resolution that low, in over 10 years. I think it's an amazing feat of marketing, by display companies, that people still put up with such low resolutions.

That's true that they aren't interested. But I still like such screens. I used one quite recently, and it worked just fine for my needs.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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Looking ar the comments it seems that it is very subjective. People seem to prefer what they are used to the most.

Fits with me - long time mac user i like Mac rendering, linux feels very similar and i like it. Windows feels like somebody is burning the fonts into lcd. It is probably more legible in tiny sizes on low pixel screens but it is too strong and not very elegant everywhere else.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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post #7

Windows has the worst font rendering of all modern operating systems. Wanting anything like Windows font rendering is insane. Windows 10 makes it near impossible to properly turn off subpixel hinting without also turning off all anti-aliasing, which on a QD-OLED screen makes for horrific color fringing. Windows 11 is better, but still pretty weak. Linux is roughly as good as Mac OS, both of which are miles better tha…

> in favor of high pixel density screens I wish I could download an OS update that gave me a high pixel screen! But, uhhh, that’s not how it works.

Do yourself a favour and go out and purchase a high pixel screen. I don't understand why people who spend a good part of their days in front of a computer (or employ others to do it), but refuse to get quality hardware. Is it worth destroying your eyes, posture, and joints to save this money? Not to speak of just the personal pleasure of using good hardware.

Restaurants spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on equipment so that their staff can work more efficiently. Why doesn't IT people take inspiration from them and get a bit better equipment. It's not a luxury item.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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post #13

I still don't know why MacOS can't render sharp text on 1440p external monitor.

Well see Apple doesn't sell 1440p external monitors, so the answer is you should stop using that trash and move to one that brute forces the sharpness problem and costs way too much because it has an Apple logo on it

Cute, but irrelevant. I just searched Amazon for "4k monitor 27 inch" and there are any number of highly rated screens from recognizable brands for around $200.

You don't have to splurge to get a 2160p monitor that a Mac will love.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, subpixel rendering is absent from MacOS and makes it very difficult to using regular ol' 1920x1080 screens with modern MacOS. Yes, those Retina displays look nice, but it's a shame that lower res screens do not because they work perfectly fine except for the font rendering.

My first (and last) 1920x1080 monitor was 50lb CRT I picked up on the side of the road, in 2003. I haven't owned a smartphone with a screen resolution that low, in over 10 years. I think it's an amazing feat of marketing, by display companies, that people still put up with such low resolutions.

It's still a perfectly serviceable resolution.

Of course 16:19 pushed down display costs leading to the demise of 1920x1200 which is unforgivable ;-)

Those 120 pixels were sorely missed.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, subpixel rendering is absent from MacOS and makes it very difficult to using regular ol' 1920x1080 screens with modern MacOS. Yes, those Retina displays look nice, but it's a shame that lower res screens do not because they work perfectly fine except for the font rendering.

My first (and last) 1920x1080 monitor was 50lb CRT I picked up on the side of the road, in 2003. I haven't owned a smartphone with a screen resolution that low, in over 10 years. I think it's an amazing feat of marketing, by display companies, that people still put up with such low resolutions.

Hm... I am reading this on a 1600x900 screen of my T420s Frankenpad while sitting in dusk in a German campsite. I ordered the screen some 10 years ago off Alibaba or something, and it is exactly the resolution and brightness I need. I hope I will die before this Frankenpad, because contemporary laptops are awful in so many aspects.

You know... as you age, you really can't read all those tiny characters anyway.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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post #51

One important detail is that fonts themselves have their own hinting rendering tables so authors can decide how fonts will be rendered on low dpi screens. This is tedious and expensive. And you guessed it many libre fonts simply dont do it right or have capacity to do it at all. Thats why there can be quite big quality jump when you compare it to fonts from big design teams from Apple or Microsoft. Not only the font…

Exactly. This is why whenever the release of a new font is being posted here (usually coding fonts), I end up being not interested due to the lack of pixel-level hinting.

Re: The sad state of font rendering on Linux (2018)

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, subpixel rendering is absent from MacOS and makes it very difficult to using regular ol' 1920x1080 screens with modern MacOS. Yes, those Retina displays look nice, but it's a shame that lower res screens do not because they work perfectly fine except for the font rendering.

My first (and last) 1920x1080 monitor was 50lb CRT I picked up on the side of the road, in 2003. I haven't owned a smartphone with a screen resolution that low, in over 10 years. I think it's an amazing feat of marketing, by display companies, that people still put up with such low resolutions.

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