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Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by thunderfork »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #23
rwmj wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait til you hear about my local library. You can walk in and read or borrow any book without paying!

Wait until you hear about my private library that resides on a Synology NAS. I can access it from anywhere in the world, on any device, and it's filled with whatever books I can bother to decide that I want that title. I have about 20,000 (not counting periodicals) all carefully curated and retail quality. I even got rid of those annoying generic Bantam Press covers and replaced them with the high-res stuff off the p…

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Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by badlibrarian »

bahmboo wrote: post #45
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #37

My take on this is that in desperation to become a real library despite Kahle's radical hatred of content creators, Kahle will end up dragging the legislative narrative in a direction that takes down real libraries with him. He will almost certainly broadcast his status as a federal depository library as part of his defenses in his numerous lawsuits. One selfish man unwilling to recognize he is doing more harm than g…

"radical hatred of content creators" is a very harsh and specific allegation. I wasn't aware that Kahle was considered such a bad actor. I did some googling and wikipedia-ing and can't see much that supports that claim. I am very open minded to the nuances of IP rights vs information-wants-to-be-free so I'd love to hear more details about your position particularly as it relates to the federal depository designation.

Making every book on the site available for unlimited download, not just rare things but contemporary best sellers, did huge reputational damage. Following it up by claiming he was saving scratchy old 78 RPM records, but in the process also making LPs from Paul McCartney and Jimi Hendrix available, continued the trend.

Tweeting out promotional links to the pages with those materials, while asking for donations on the top of the page? Well, I don't know if that's contempt for artists or just lack of common sense. But when they ask you to take down the material and you refuse...

The depository thing is a distraction. And they do have a habit of sensationalizing things in blog posts. So I understand where that commenter is coming from. Internet Archive is under attack from many sides but much of it is self-inflicted.

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by bdhcuidbebe »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #50
doener wrote: post #19

Back in the days when things were sane my first thought reading this headline would have been: Nice, that‘s sounds official and important. Nowadays my first thought is: Wait, does this mean Trump can mess around with this?

That says more about you than it says about the times, I'm afraid. Your first thought should still be the former, not the latter.

Read the news, bro.

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by mdp2021 »

badlibrarian wrote: post #52
bahmboo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"radical hatred of content creators" is a very harsh and specific allegation. I wasn't aware that Kahle was considered such a bad actor. I did some googling and wikipedia-ing and can't see much that supports that claim. I am very open minded to the nuances of IP rights vs information-wants-to-be-free so I'd love to hear more details about your position particularly as it relates to the federal depository designation.

Making every book on the site available for unlimited download, not just rare things but contemporary best sellers, did huge reputational damage. Following it up by claiming he was saving scratchy old 78 RPM records, but in the process also making LPs from Paul McCartney and Jimi Hendrix available, continued the trend. Tweeting out promotional links to the pages with those materials, while asking for donations on the…

Libraries make «contemporary best sellers» and «LPs from Paul McCartney and Jimi Hendrix» freely available. You call it «reputational damage», others may call it "advancing demands over rights", "stirring a stagnating reality in view of effective progress" (with reference to dematerialization), "pushing a debate" (about where we want to go societally".

It is unwise to push these latter points with the outmost care without having awakened the masses and clarified your stances to decisors - it is unwise to be "right" in front of the immature. But the reputation damage remains about wisdom, not about pride.

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by mdp2021 »

badlibrarian wrote: post #41
toomuchtodo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were already recognized by the state of California as a library, and have received federal funds for infrastructure under that designation. They’ve also been accepted into consortiums made up of other libraries in the US. Whether you believe they’re a library is immaterial.

A federal Judge also ruled that "IA does not perform the traditional functions of a library." https://publishers.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024.09.04... Brewster has a friend in a state senator and he's trying to do what he can to preserve his section 108 privileges. He's removed over a million items in the past year after being repeatedly sued for copyright infringement, and leaked millions of private communica…

Unclear expression, since the goal of a library is «providing access to knowledge». Maybe the point is about the future of those services.

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by herbst »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #50
doener wrote: post #19

Back in the days when things were sane my first thought reading this headline would have been: Nice, that‘s sounds official and important. Nowadays my first thought is: Wait, does this mean Trump can mess around with this?

That says more about you than it says about the times, I'm afraid. Your first thought should still be the former, not the latter.

Wouldn't be the first time in history a falling empire tries to control the narrative by burning books

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by permo-w »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #34

"California Sen. Alex Padilla made the designation in a letter sent Thursday to the Government Publishing Office" What does this mean. U.S. Senators can unilaterally designate federal depositories?

a small scroll:

>Under federal law, members of Congress can designate up to two qualified libraries for federal depository status.

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Post by lucb1e »

abracadaniel wrote: post #49
lucb1e wrote: post #22

I'm having trouble finding what this means. Does IA now have new obligations, or gets new information, or something else, or all of the above? The submission says: > These records account for “millions and millions of pages” that can take up entire floors of public libraries, Kahle said. San Diego’s public library gave up its federal depository status in 2020 because its government documents took up so much space and…

As I understand it, it’s voluntary and like the government document version of the Twitter firehose. Direct access to all published government documents as they are created.

So like a semi-public endpoint, that the libraries can access but not the general public, and then the public should get it from the libraries? Seems roundabout but it fits with what I've read so far
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