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Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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From the blog post: "more than 99% of them had no activity in the last month" https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-li... This is a classic product data decision-making fallacy. The right question is "how much total value do all of the links provide", not "what percent are used".

Don't be confused! That's not how they made the decision; it's how they're selling it.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#52
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About 60k academic citations about to die - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=90&q=%22https://goo... Countless books with irrevocably broken references - https://www.google.com/search?q=%22://goo.gl%22&sca_upv=1&sc... And for what? The cost of keeping a few TB online and a little bit of CPU power? An absolute act of cultural vandalism.

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Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#53
post #37
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About 60k academic citations about to die - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=90&q=%22https://goo... Countless books with irrevocably broken references - https://www.google.com/search?q=%22://goo.gl%22&sca_upv=1&sc... And for what? The cost of keeping a few TB online and a little bit of CPU power? An absolute act of cultural vandalism.

For people wanting to include URL references in things like books, what’s the right approach to take today? I’m genuinely asking. It seems like its hard to trust that any service will remaining running for decades

The full URl to the original page.

You aren't responsible if things go offline. No more than if a publisher stops reprinting books and the library copies all get eaten by rats.

A reader can assess the URl for trustworthiness (is it scam.biz or legitimate_news.com) look at the path to hazard a guess at the metadata and contents, and - finally - look it up in an archive.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#54
post #2

About 60k academic citations about to die - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=90&q=%22https://goo... Countless books with irrevocably broken references - https://www.google.com/search?q=%22://goo.gl%22&sca_upv=1&sc... And for what? The cost of keeping a few TB online and a little bit of CPU power? An absolute act of cultural vandalism.

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Modern webservers are very, very fast on modern CPUs. I hear Google has some CPU infrastructure?

I don't know if GCP has a free tier like AWS does, but 10kQPS is likely within the capability of a free EC2 instance running nginx with a static redirect map. Maybe splurge for the one with a full GB of RAM? No problem.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The right question is "how much total value do all of the links provide", not "what percent are used". Yes, but it doesn't bring in the sweet promotion home, unfortunately. Ironically, if 99% of them doesn't see any traffic, you can scale back the infra, run it in 2 VMs, and make sure a single person can keep it up as a side quest, just for fun (but, of course, pay them for their work). This beancounting really mak…

> just for fun (but, of course, pay them for their work). Doing things for fun isn't in Google's remit

Then they shouldn't have offered it as a free service in the first place. It's like that discussion about how Google in all its 2-ton ADHD gorilla glory will enter an industry, offer a (near) free service or product, decimate all competition, then decide its not worth it and shutdown. Leaving a desolate crater behind of ruined businesses, angry and abandoned users.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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About 60k academic citations about to die - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=90&q=%22https://goo... Countless books with irrevocably broken references - https://www.google.com/search?q=%22://goo.gl%22&sca_upv=1&sc... And for what? The cost of keeping a few TB online and a little bit of CPU power? An absolute act of cultural vandalism.

While an interesting attempt at an impact statement, 90% of the results on the first two pages for me are not references to goo.gl shorteners, but are instead OCR errors or just gibberish. One of the papers is from 1981.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#57
Cloudflare offered to keep it running and were turned away:

https://x.com/elithrar/status/1948451254780526609

Remember this next time you are thinking of depending upon a Google service. They could have kept this going easily but are intentionally breaking it.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#58
post #6

I have only given this a moment's thought, but why not just publish the URL map as a text file or SQLLite DB? So at least we know where they went? I don't think it would be a privacy issue since the links are all public?

It will include many URLs that are semi-private, like Google Docs that are shared via link.

If some URL is accessible via the open web, without authentication, then it is not really private.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#59
post #2

About 60k academic citations about to die - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=90&q=%22https://goo... Countless books with irrevocably broken references - https://www.google.com/search?q=%22://goo.gl%22&sca_upv=1&sc... And for what? The cost of keeping a few TB online and a little bit of CPU power? An absolute act of cultural vandalism.

Jm2c, but if your resource is a link to an online resource that's borderline already (at any point the content can be changed or disappear). Even worse if your resource is a shortened link by some other service, you've just added yet another layer of unreliable indirection.

Citations are citations, if it's a link, you link to it. But using shorteners for that is silly.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#60
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people wanting to include URL references in things like books, what’s the right approach to take today? I’m genuinely asking. It seems like its hard to trust that any service will remaining running for decades

https://perma.cc/ It is built for the task, and assuming worse case scenario of sunset, it would be ingested into the Wayback Machine. Note that both the Internet Archive and Cloudflare are supporting partners (bottom of page). ( https://doi.org/ is also an option, but not as accessible to a casual user; the DOI Foundation pointed me to https://www.crossref.org/ for adhoc DOI registration, although I have not had tim…

perma.cc is great. Also check out their tools if you want to get your hands dirty with your own archival process: https://tools.perma.cc/
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