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What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by thih9 »

zakki wrote: post #34
pmlnr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, in the supposed to be educated - at least in basic biology - 2025, be made and exclusive thing. The intro of the 1986 Once upon a time... Life animation series, that's the best human biology educational program that exists to this very day, starts with scenes many would classify as nudity - but it's also essential to the topic a…

Well, many things are natural. Still we have many rules for it. I.e. naturally stronger animals kill weaker ones. Yet we don't want this happen in the human community.

Naturally stronger animals very often protect weaker ones too, especially within the same species.

I know you’re trying to point out a logical fallacy; but I don’t think it is a good reason to ignore the grandparent commenter’s point.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by aredox »

Barrin92 wrote: post #29
pmlnr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, in the supposed to be educated - at least in basic biology - 2025, be made and exclusive thing. The intro of the 1986 Once upon a time... Life animation series, that's the best human biology educational program that exists to this very day, starts with scenes many would classify as nudity - but it's also essential to the topic a…

>It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, [...] be made and exclusive thing. As Nietzsche said, the time has come when we have to pay for having been Christians for two thousand years. That's the simple answer, nudity and sexuality (also entirely natural and normal), have been deemed sinful, you're supposed to avert your eyes from it, and so on. It's so deeply ingraine…

It is even more amazing when you consider that in the USA, it was normal (for boys) to bath in the nude, indoor but sometimes with spectators, and even to have to show their genitals to the teacher or pool attendant.

This has been completely memory-holed despite the fact many people alive today should remember it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nude_swimming_in_US_indoor_poo...

https://www.wbez.org/shows/curious-city/baring-it-all-why-bo...

https://www.npr.org/2006/08/01/5597441/naked-in-high-school-...

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by worldofmatthew »

EGG_CREAM wrote: post #30
laurent_du wrote: post #21

> The image attached to this blog post is a stock photo of a nude pregnant woman. Absolutely nothing sexual. How is this not sexual? The fact that it's a stock photo, or that the woman is pregnant, is irrelevant. It's very clearly a sexual picture.

No it’s not. It’s just a picture of a naked pregnant woman showering. She’s not in a suggestive pose, having sex, or anything else that would suggest sexual content. There’s nothing inherently sexual about nudity by itself. If you say “everyone’s idea of what is sexual can be different,” I would agree, which I think is part of the point of posts like this: why does the most restrictive definition of sexual content al…

Its a picture of a women staring forward, laying against a wall, taken at a semi-side angle.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by andsoitis »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #36

I'm not trying to knock the author, but I would have used a much more durable example for experiencing nude content: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nude_sculptures

and specifically the most beautiful sculpture of all time, Michelangelo's David - https://www.accademia.org/explore-museum/artworks/michelange...

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by tjs8rj »

Barrin92 wrote: post #29
pmlnr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, in the supposed to be educated - at least in basic biology - 2025, be made and exclusive thing. The intro of the 1986 Once upon a time... Life animation series, that's the best human biology educational program that exists to this very day, starts with scenes many would classify as nudity - but it's also essential to the topic a…

>It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, [...] be made and exclusive thing. As Nietzsche said, the time has come when we have to pay for having been Christians for two thousand years. That's the simple answer, nudity and sexuality (also entirely natural and normal), have been deemed sinful, you're supposed to avert your eyes from it, and so on. It's so deeply ingraine…

Every civilized culture on earth has norms against public nudity. Objectively there appears to be something more biologically successful about cultures where nudity is reserved for private spaces than those who treat it otherwise

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by nemomarx »

laurent_du wrote: post #50
macintux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question comes down to: is nudity inherently sexual? Not everyone feels it is.

Let's be real, everyone feels nudity is inherently sexual, except on HN and probably on reddit where men love to claim that it's not. I don't know if it's virtue-signalling, sexual frustration, or something else. It does sound weird and creepy to me - grown up men who claim that naked women are not arousing, the same men who rally en masse every time pornography censorship is discussed, to complain about freedom of e…

Nude beaches are pretty old as a concept? Always a niche community but there's definitely been hippies talking about non sexual nudism for decades and etc

It must have been non sexual at some point in our historical development, before clothes. So I can't really agree that it's inherently so - just that we've culturally made it a sexual thing for basically all of history. That might be close though to functionally be inherent to human society depending on your viewpoint though.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by aaomidi »

laurent_du wrote: post #50
macintux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question comes down to: is nudity inherently sexual? Not everyone feels it is.

Let's be real, everyone feels nudity is inherently sexual, except on HN and probably on reddit where men love to claim that it's not. I don't know if it's virtue-signalling, sexual frustration, or something else. It does sound weird and creepy to me - grown up men who claim that naked women are not arousing, the same men who rally en masse every time pornography censorship is discussed, to complain about freedom of e…

There are plenty of people who grew up in naked households. Ranging from just being nude at home to being intermittently undressed around others.

Do you think those people found nudity sexual?

How about doctors and nurses that see naked people all the time? Is simple nudity sexual for them?

How about athletes that shower in open showers together. Are they experiencing a sexual experience when they’re showering after practice?

There’s so many counter examples to this that saying nudity is sexual is just silly.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by tjs8rj »

krapp wrote: post #24
pmlnr wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, in the supposed to be educated - at least in basic biology - 2025, be made and exclusive thing. The intro of the 1986 Once upon a time... Life animation series, that's the best human biology educational program that exists to this very day, starts with scenes many would classify as nudity - but it's also essential to the topic a…

>It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, in the supposed to be educated - at least in basic biology - 2025, be made and exclusive thing. Western culture and its morals around sex, gender and nudity are founded on the patriarchal taboos of the Abrahamic religions, whereby human nudity in general, and female nudity in particular (because women are the source of original…

So China and Japan are abrahamic? India is abrahamic? Every civilization on earth has norms against public nudity. Seems to be something more fundamental than blaming abrahamic religions

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by AdkamEup »

diggan wrote: post #42
AdkamEup wrote: post #31

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Wow, you've gotten downvoted. I came here for your comment. That stock photo is strikingly sexual; it immediately makes me horny. (I'm a cis-het guy nearing 50 years of age, I have an active and satisfying sex life with my wife, and I've not looked at porn, or engaged in self-pleasing, for several years now. The reason I find the photo sexual is not that "I'm not getting any". I've been getting plenty, thank you very…

> it immediately makes me horny Some people suffer/enjoy getting aroused by cars, does that mean every car picture is sexual? Probably not. While fun to hear about others perspective, "suggestively sexual" usually requires at least some attempt at being suggestive, a pregnant woman just existing probably isn't suggestive, even though you find it so because of your sexual preferences. I don't know how old you are, but…

I wasn't debating "suggestive". The fine article claimed (and the parent quoted), "Absolutely nothing sexual"; that's what I disagree with.

I agree that the photo is not suggestive; in other words, I fully agree that in the picture, she's not "soliciting" or even "provoking" (even without having any actual intent to participate). That's fine. She doesn't have to be suggestive, or to do anything other than exist and be visible (like this), for me to find her sexually (very) attractive, and to make me horny.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by diggan »

tjs8rj wrote: post #55
Barrin92 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, [...] be made and exclusive thing. As Nietzsche said, the time has come when we have to pay for having been Christians for two thousand years. That's the simple answer, nudity and sexuality (also entirely natural and normal), have been deemed sinful, you're supposed to avert your eyes from it, and so on. It's so deeply ingraine…

Every civilized culture on earth has norms against public nudity. Objectively there appears to be something more biologically successful about cultures where nudity is reserved for private spaces than those who treat it otherwise

> Every civilized culture on earth has norms against public nudity

Well, not every "civilized culture" has a blanket ban on public nudity, but more of a "there is a time and place you know", like doing sauna naked and swimming naked in rivers/lakes (common in the Nordics at least) or being semi-nude (topless) at public beaches in Spain. Breastfeeding without having to shamefully cover up also seems to be more and more accepted, at least in the countries I frequent (mostly around Europe).

I'm sure there are more examples of "civilized cultures" where it's accepted sometimes to be nude or semi-nude.

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