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Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

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>> Having more zeros does not equal to being more "precise" Isn't having more decimal places the exact definition of precision (vs accuracy)?

The point is that those decimal places don't have to be zeros. 7.893 is just as precise as 8.001.

Yet for some reason unknown to me, people get annoyed when you tell them „let us meet at 13:37. that is no more accurate than let us meet at 14:00 hours”

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

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I don't think it is fair to downvote this comment. It is a genuine concern and should be addressed. Amusingly, given that the thought has entered mass consciousness by means of question on 'whether all this is a simulation', matrix ( the animated series ) explored this question a little and it is interesting in how the timeline aligns with what the movie presented.

It's absolutely a legitimate concern but since this robot project has no chance of replacing humanity, it seems like a derail in terms of the subject matter of the video. It's as if someone posted a link to an incremental advancement in graphene aluminum-ion battery tech and a person chimed in with a general lament about heavy metal battery toxic waste disposal.

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I think it's about kinematics, the more precise your gears the better the model fits the real world. That's why pro crews don't use gears and ropes. At high impulses deformations and elasticity throw the kinematics off what's actually happening. Modeling the deformations and the elasticity is a computational no no. Instead what you see is the motors right on the joints. At least that was the case last time I had a lo…

> That's why pro crews don't use gears and ropes. [...] Instead what you see is the motors right on the joints. The answer here, as with so many things in robotics, is: It Depends. UR10e robot arm that can lift a 4kg object with a reach of 1m and has sub-1mm repeatability? Strain wave gears in the base and shoulder joints, 100:1 ratio. MIT Mini Cheetah robot dog that can do backflips? 6:1 planetary gearbox. Shadow Ha…

In general, for some platforms each gear mechanism adds backlash precision loss, lower energy efficiency, and might not be back driven.

>Mid-price CNC milling machine

A ball-screw is mostly decorative on small machines... =3

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

#54

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> That's why pro crews don't use gears and ropes. [...] Instead what you see is the motors right on the joints. The answer here, as with so many things in robotics, is: It Depends. UR10e robot arm that can lift a 4kg object with a reach of 1m and has sub-1mm repeatability? Strain wave gears in the base and shoulder joints, 100:1 ratio. MIT Mini Cheetah robot dog that can do backflips? 6:1 planetary gearbox. Shadow Ha…

In general, for some platforms each gear mechanism adds backlash precision loss, lower energy efficiency, and might not be back driven. >Mid-price CNC milling machine A ball-screw is mostly decorative on small machines... =3

On the other hand, a 100:1 gearbox gives you much-needed torque if you're lifting a load at the end of a long arm, it makes your encoder 100x more precise (in terms of repeatability) and it makes your motor brake 100x stronger.

Back-drivability is the enemy of precision, so many robotic applications can do without it.

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

#55
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Likely makes more money, too!

His current Patreon has 57 paid members. Unless he has another revenue stream, I think he'd need more paid members.

youtube ads and sponsorship are his additional revenue streams

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

#56
I watched this last week and my jaw was on the floor. He's both a great technician, and he has the personality to make it interesting. He walked through his testing strategy far enough that you could understand his methodology and the thought process behind it, but didn't belabor it by making us watch it all. Banger!

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

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I think it's about kinematics, the more precise your gears the better the model fits the real world. That's why pro crews don't use gears and ropes. At high impulses deformations and elasticity throw the kinematics off what's actually happening. Modeling the deformations and the elasticity is a computational no no. Instead what you see is the motors right on the joints. At least that was the case last time I had a lo…

> That's why pro crews don't use gears and ropes. [...] Instead what you see is the motors right on the joints. The answer here, as with so many things in robotics, is: It Depends. UR10e robot arm that can lift a 4kg object with a reach of 1m and has sub-1mm repeatability? Strain wave gears in the base and shoulder joints, 100:1 ratio. MIT Mini Cheetah robot dog that can do backflips? 6:1 planetary gearbox. Shadow Ha…

Surely you mean driven by closed-loop servos with encoders, don't you? Jacques Mattheij wrote a long post about how he ended up having to replace all the CNC machines he sold that used stepper motors because he didn't know any better at the time, and brushless motors are a lot faster and more powerful as well as not losing steps.

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

#58
post #38

Cara is the Irish word for 'friend'. Not sure if thats what was intended or is just a coincidence.

Also the Spanish words for "face" (no me gusta tu cara, boludo) and "expensive and female" (esa computadora es re cara, boludo). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cara tells us it also has meanings in Aragonese, Asturian, Catalan, Crimean Tatar, French, Galician, Indonesian, Italian, Latvian, and another couple dozen languages.

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

#59
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There is a weird mixture of hope and dread in me as I watch this. I am ridiculously excited over a person like me being able to mess around with something that, until recently, was gated behind, well, a lot of hard problems to overcome ( I am only now slowly getting through old Peter Scott's robotics to get some perspective ). By comparison, it should be so much easier to explore aspects of robotics that may go beyon…

Why dread?

Land mines have been killing people by surprise for decades. Flying drones, some of them dropping land mines and others lying in wait for incoming convoys, produced 70% of the casualties on both sides in the Ukrainian invasion last year, and a few weeks ago the Ukrainians shipped some drones to near a Russian airport several thousand kilometers from Ukraine to blow up a bunch of airplanes. This betokens a future of borderless warfare in which probably most of your family members will be killed over the next few decades, by one or another type of semi-autonomous or fully autonomous weapon.

CARA is a super cool project which is never going to kill anybody, but it's another piece of evidence that the cost of the technology for such weapons has decreased enormously.

That said, talking about the dread is going to get boring fast, because nearly every story on the HN front page is catapulting us toward that future.

Re: CARA – High precision robot dog using rope

#60

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In general, for some platforms each gear mechanism adds backlash precision loss, lower energy efficiency, and might not be back driven. >Mid-price CNC milling machine A ball-screw is mostly decorative on small machines... =3

On the other hand, a 100:1 gearbox gives you much-needed torque if you're lifting a load at the end of a long arm, it makes your encoder 100x more precise (in terms of repeatability) and it makes your motor brake 100x stronger. Back-drivability is the enemy of precision, so many robotic applications can do without it.

Almost all modern servo driven units I've seen prefer to allow some compliance in the end effector. The UR5 and UR10 series for example can use force limiting control loops, and are safer to use around people.

The old "fast, cheap, or good... choose any two joke is mostly still true. =3

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