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Re: Org tutorials

#51

I hear so many people rave about orgmode on HN, all of them emacs users. This seems obvious since it is an emacs feature after all, but if orgmode is so good, has it not been implemented outside of emacs? Is there a standalone orgmode implementation that non-emacs users should look into?

There is an orgmode for VS Code that I used for a while:

https://github.com/vscode-org-mode/vscode-org-mode

Re: Org tutorials

#52
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an implementation for neovim, and some "viewer" applicatrions for android, etc: https://orgmode.org/tools.html Basics are easy to replicate, but one of the reasons why org is so useful is because it is tied into the emacs ecosystem, so you can write extensions/configuration tweaks in lisp. You can hookup agenda (calendars), etc, etc, and those things don't really translate so well to external tools. If you h…

> You can hookup agenda (calendars), etc, etc, and those things don't really translate so well to external tools. Sounds like a replication of Unix inside an editor if you ask me.

Wait until you learn many of the default bash keyboard shortcuts (like Ctrl + A / E to move to the beginning/end of the line) actually come from emacs.

Re: Org tutorials

#53
post #16

Org-Mode with Hyperbole it's like doing computing in 2070, but without bullshit AI LLM's. Try it and you'll understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFdgpb0TeQo If you are a Lisp programmer, you can OFC use ob-lisp with it (and maybe there's ob-elisp to learn Elisp in a literate way). This is like a Jupyter netbook, with steroids. Org Babel: https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/ Supported languages: https://…

Hyperbole is the weirdest thing ever (in a good way), I can't exactly describe it to people either because it's a monolithic package that is made up of a number of packages (like the one for window control) but once you start using it and adopting it gradually you reach an epiphany. At that point the usefulness of Hyperbole is evident but until then nada, it seems more hassle than it's worth (though there are moments…

Can you share some of your use cases? Been on my radar for a while..

Re: Org tutorials

#54
post #6

To people using org mode, how does it help you more than Markdown? Genuinely curious because I tried at some point and it felt too heavy. Maybe because I am a vim user instead of eMacs?

Besides being a markup for structured text with special syntax for links/tables/math, here are my highlights that I use:

1. Code blocks that can be executed have their result captured

2. Links to everything

3. Drawing vector images (SVG) with a tablet

4. Perform calculations on tabular data (like a simple Excel sheet)

5. Agenda (connected to Google Calendar)

6. Spaced repetition system for language learning

7. LaTeX export for reports/presentations with citations

Expanding:

1.1. Execute code on different remote machines

1.2. Work with sessions and execute code asynchronously

1.3. Use noweb syntax for reusing code blocks

1.4. Tangle ("export") source blocks to files (locally or in a remote machine!)

1.5. Use a source block to generate a graph/plot and view the figure in the same place

1.6. Use narrow functionalities to automate script executions (example: execute all blocks in this section).

2.1. Links to PDF pages, commits/pr`s/branches, email, other files` particular lines, remote files, web pages, etc.

7.1. Very easy to select which sections I want to export or not

7.2. Include hand-drawn SVG graphics in the PDF output

7.3. Generate Beamer presentations

Re: Org tutorials

#55
post #6

To people using org mode, how does it help you more than Markdown? Genuinely curious because I tried at some point and it felt too heavy. Maybe because I am a vim user instead of eMacs?

Markdown is just a markup-language, while orgmode is a tool-collection with a community of its own, which happens to also come with its own markup-language. That's not the same, and comparing them on that level makes little sense.

> Genuinely curious because I tried at some point and it felt too heavy.

Which part felt heavy? The syntax? The tooling? The setup? orgmode's purpose is to deliver an environment for managing your notes, tasks, data, etc. Of course, will it be more heavy than just the markup-language alone, as most documentation focuses on the tooling and which jobs you can execute with it. This more akin to a whole Office-suit, than a simple plaintext-editor.

Re: Org tutorials

#57

I hear so many people rave about orgmode on HN, all of them emacs users. This seems obvious since it is an emacs feature after all, but if orgmode is so good, has it not been implemented outside of emacs? Is there a standalone orgmode implementation that non-emacs users should look into?

The biggest strength is not the file format or basically the org mode markdown flavor. The strength comes from integrating it with all the other Emacs stuff. Org-babel for example, think of it as a suped up Jupyter notebook. And it integrates with the emacs calendar/agenda. The closest you can get is maybe Obsidian's Dataview plugin, but it absolutely pales in comparison to Emacs Org.

It is one of THE main reasons for me to use Emacs.

Re: Org tutorials

#58
post #32

I wish there's something like Obsidian with the same support for org-mode that Emacs has. A few pros: - Organize notes in org-mode is much quicker - The best support for lists (and I do list most of the times) - Tags and properties - Perfect integration with agenda - Great TODOs support - Code blocks with highlights, execution and results

Check out Org-Roam: https://www.orgroam.com/

It has some Obsidian-like features inside Org Mode.

So, if you're looking for an easier-to-use UI, it's not it, but if you're looking for Obsidian-like linking and backlinking, it has that.

Re: Org tutorials

#59

I hear so many people rave about orgmode on HN, all of them emacs users. This seems obvious since it is an emacs feature after all, but if orgmode is so good, has it not been implemented outside of emacs? Is there a standalone orgmode implementation that non-emacs users should look into?

There is an orgmode for VS Code that I used for a while: https://github.com/vscode-org-mode/vscode-org-mode

If it doesn't support Babel or Agenda, it loses 90% of the reason to use it.

Re: Org tutorials

#60

I hear so many people rave about orgmode on HN, all of them emacs users. This seems obvious since it is an emacs feature after all, but if orgmode is so good, has it not been implemented outside of emacs? Is there a standalone orgmode implementation that non-emacs users should look into?

Like someone else mentioned in this thread, I'm not a "traditional" Emacs user. I use Emacs only for Org Mode; for the rest I use Vim, or occasionally something else. (For the rest of your question, there are some good responses from others.)
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