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AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Post by dist-epoch »

alisonatwork wrote: post #28
yhoiseth wrote: post #12

Sarkar argues that “AI shaming arises from a class anxiety induced in middle class knowledge workers, and is a form of boundary work to maintain class solidarity and limit mobility into knowledge work.” I think there is at least some truth to this. Another possible cause of AI shaming is that reading AI writing feels like a waste of time. If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it and pro…

This latter piece is something I am struggling with. I have spent 10+ years working on teams that are primarily composed of people whose first language is not English in workplaces where English is the mandated business language. Ever since the earliest LLMs started appearing, the written communication of non-native speakers has become a lot clearer from a grammatical point of view, but also a lot more florid and pre…

I thought about this too. I think the solution is to send both, prompt and output - since the output was selected itself by the human between potentially multiple variants.

Prompt: I want to tell you X

AI: Dear sir, as per our previous discussion let's delve into the item at hand...

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Post by satisfice »

dist-epoch wrote: post #49
yhoiseth wrote: post #12

Sarkar argues that “AI shaming arises from a class anxiety induced in middle class knowledge workers, and is a form of boundary work to maintain class solidarity and limit mobility into knowledge work.” I think there is at least some truth to this. Another possible cause of AI shaming is that reading AI writing feels like a waste of time. If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it and pro…

> If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it There is an argument that luxury stuff is valuable because typically it's hand made, and in a sense, what you are buying is not the item itself, but the untold hours "wasted" creating that item for your own exclusive use. In a sense "renting a slave" - you have control over another human's time, and this is a power trip. You have expressed it p…

If effort wasn’t put into it, then the writing cannot be good, except by accident or theft or else it is not your writing.

If you want to court me, don’t ask Cyrano de Bergerac to write poetry and pass it off as your own.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Post by dist-epoch »

satisfice wrote: post #52
dist-epoch wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it There is an argument that luxury stuff is valuable because typically it's hand made, and in a sense, what you are buying is not the item itself, but the untold hours "wasted" creating that item for your own exclusive use. In a sense "renting a slave" - you have control over another human's time, and this is a power trip. You have expressed it p…

If effort wasn’t put into it, then the writing cannot be good, except by accident or theft or else it is not your writing. If you want to court me, don’t ask Cyrano de Bergerac to write poetry and pass it off as your own.

> If effort wasn’t put into it, then the writing cannot be good

This is what people used to say about photography versus painting.

> pass it off as your own.

This is misleading/fraud and a separate subject than the quality of the writing.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Post by lexicality »

kazinator wrote: post #31
VectorLock wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Woke cretin."

That can't be it. Cretin traces back to the 18th century. Etymonline places woke into the 2010s.

Doesn't matter when the word was created, in the same way furries use ":3" to signal they're a furry, people now use "woke" as a pejorative to signify that they're a member of the "alt-right". I'd suggest avoiding that word unless that's the group membership you want to be advertising.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Post by randomcarbloke »

kristjank wrote: post #25

I don't think we should as a wider scientific/technical society care for the opinion of a person that uses epistocratic privilege as a a serious term. This stinks to high hell of proving a conclusion by working backwards from it. The cognitive dissonance to imply that expecting knowledge from a knowledge worker or a knowledge-centered discourse is a form of boundary work or discrimination is extremely destructive to…

Being a pilot is an epistrocratic privilege and they should welcome the input of the less advantaged.

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Post by UncleMeat »

"We have to use AI to achieve class solidarity" is insane to me.

People realize that the bosses all love AI because they envision a future where they don't need to pay the rabble like us, right? People remember leaders in the Trump administration going on TV and saying that we should have fewer laptop jobs, right?

That professor telling you not to use ChatGPT to cheat on your essay is likely not a member of the PMC but is probably an adjunct getting paid near-poverty wages.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Post by computerthings »

xwolfi wrote: post #47
alisonatwork wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This latter piece is something I am struggling with. I have spent 10+ years working on teams that are primarily composed of people whose first language is not English in workplaces where English is the mandated business language. Ever since the earliest LLMs started appearing, the written communication of non-native speakers has become a lot clearer from a grammatical point of view, but also a lot more florid and pre…

It is normal, you add a layer between the two brains that communicate, and that layer only add statistical experience to the message. I write letters to my gf, in English, while English is not our first language. I would never ever put an LLM between us: this would fall flat, remove who we are, be a mess of cultural references, it would just not be interesting to read, even if maybe we could make it sound more native…

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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Post by throwaway2562 »

terminalshort wrote: post #38

Reading this makes me understand why there is a political movement to defund universities.

The real shame of it is that OP claims affiliation to two respectable universities (UCL and Cambridge) and one formerly credible venue (CHI)

Mock scholarship is on the rampage. I agree: this stuff does make me understand the yahoos with a defunding urge too - not something I ever expected to feel any sympathy for, but here we are.

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