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Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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Do you even understand the concept of "trade-off" ? The act of driving does not allow me to live the life I have now. The act of travelling does. I don't understand your claim that the act of staring at a road and pulling leavers is somehow beneficial to me, or anybody else.

The act of you BEING ABLE to. Thats the point i was making in the first post.

I want the right to be able to walk around a busy city centre swinging a baseball bat randomly at head hight. I know it's dangerous and pointless, but if you don't let me do it, you may as well castrate me. It's all about freedom man!

Sound ridiculous to you? Now you understand why you sound ridiculous to me.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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"there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car without serious general purpose AI" I believe that any such situation that could not be dealt with by simply coming to a safe halt is currently very badly handled by humans. I believe that they could be better handled with the _current_ state of the art, let a…

the real test of driverless cars comes shortly after they start to become widely used. A driverless car will be forced into a trolley problem situation. That is, it will have to choose between hitting two things without the option to hit neither. Expect extreme scrutiny in the ensuing legal case.

At least we'll be able to reliably determine the reason, and fix it if necessary, rather than relying on human testimony.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The act of you BEING ABLE to. Thats the point i was making in the first post.

I want the right to be able to walk around a busy city centre swinging a baseball bat randomly at head hight. I know it's dangerous and pointless, but if you don't let me do it, you may as well castrate me. It's all about freedom man! Sound ridiculous to you? Now you understand why you sound ridiculous to me.

Yes, because driving a car is "dangerous and pointless" so that baseball thing it's a perfect analogy.

Since you are at it, lets talk about pre-crime too.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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I don't see the connection between driving and "living my life as a human being", or the connection between riding in an automated vehicle and "having my balls cut". Human identity has nothing to do with driving. I can't wait until I don't have to do it anymore.

By not knowing how to drive something, you are losing an important ability. Your reach will be 3 or 4 miles at most, and over time this passive "I just want to [_____], do it for me" mentality sets in. And for what? just not to drive? to have more 20min available to check your Twitter stream? Remember, you are choosing to be ignorant in a very important aspect of modern live, and i guess only those who at some point…

Seriously? Most of the world's population doesn't drive a car. It's not good for very long distances and not good for very dense urban areas where traffic is slow and parking is lacking. It can't drive in rural areas (unless you have a sturdy jeep) and it costs a lot of money. Also, it has a non-negligible probability to kill you along the way.

The modern car is not some one-true solution to transportation, it's great success in the US has a lot to do with the patterns of suburban sprawl and to destruction of the rail system by the car manufacturers.

I suspect the car is going out of fashion as people move more and more into dense cities.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

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The likelihood of the Teamster's union allowing (i.e., not obstructing) driverless cargo hauling to succeed in the US would be close to zero.

I think they would be beaten by the tactic that killed Fleet Street (where newsprinters got rid of all their personnel by moving their business, but leaving outdated personnel such as typesetters behind. See http://www.mediauk.com/article/32718/the-fleet-street-revolu... ): secretly buy your driverless trucks, and replace all your drivers overnight. That way, you won't have employees that can strike against the chang…

I wouldn't be surprised if the trucking companies are able to offer them a competitive wage for acting as freight minders.

They might even end up with similar pay for less total hours away from home.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want the right to be able to walk around a busy city centre swinging a baseball bat randomly at head hight. I know it's dangerous and pointless, but if you don't let me do it, you may as well castrate me. It's all about freedom man! Sound ridiculous to you? Now you understand why you sound ridiculous to me.

Yes, because driving a car is "dangerous and pointless" so that baseball thing it's a perfect analogy. Since you are at it, lets talk about pre-crime too.

Driving a car is dangerous and pointless, if it can be done better by a computer...

You seem to think your rights are infringed if you are prevented from staring at a road and pulling some levers. Well, my rights are infringed if you're allowed to choose to risk my life by driving manually on the same road as me. You don't get to make that choice.

This discussion seems to be unimportant anyway. I am happily convinced that things will turn out the way I want them to when the technology matures. You will not be able to risk my life by manually driving your car on the same road as me and my robot car. And if that makes you feel like less of a man, then maybe you need to re-prioritise what's important to you.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#57
This might become a great transition technology. But leaves many problems unsolved: 1. All the issues surrounding fuel-burning engines OR all the issues surrounding huge and expensive batteries. 2. An inherent lack of energy efficiency. The payload/car-weight ratio is typically 1/10 or worse. 3. Cars are very expensive, they take a lot of space and require roads that take even more space. 4. Cars are not safe.

Driverless cars really only solve (4) and have small advantages in terms of fuel efficiency and congestion. A network of Driverless taxis should be much cheaper than owning a car, since these cars will be utilized heavily throughout the day. An even better approach would be an automatically dispatched shared-taxi system that would group passengers that want to go to close destinations.

I wonder why there isn't more effort directed towards Personal-Rapid-Transport system. i.e.small electric carts on dedicated lanes (or lines, or rails), with low weight and no battery. Like a packet-switched version of the train system. Such systems can be highly automatic, very energy-efficient and provide convenient rides relatively cheaply. It looks like we have had all the technology required to do it for at least 30 years. It seems that the only thing stopping this type of technology from being developed is that it requires someone with a lot of capital and guts who's not afraid of dealing with a regulatory nightmare. Unfortunately there aren't that many Elon Musks out there.

Here are some specialized PRT systems in use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_rapid_transit#Existing...

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#58

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Yes, because driving a car is "dangerous and pointless" so that baseball thing it's a perfect analogy. Since you are at it, lets talk about pre-crime too.

Driving a car is dangerous and pointless, if it can be done better by a computer... You seem to think your rights are infringed if you are prevented from staring at a road and pulling some levers. Well, my rights are infringed if you're allowed to choose to risk my life by driving manually on the same road as me. You don't get to make that choice. This discussion seems to be unimportant anyway. I am happily convinced…

Ohh those mean cars with their dangerous levers! Risking my live every single day, tearing apart my hyper self preservation illusions so carefully developed over the years, also bees, their are evil.

Lets restrict and regulate other people's abilities so i can sleep at night knowing that there is not a single chance anything happens to me that i didn't approve before hand and if that super smart computer that drives 100% better that humans 100% of the time ever fails, i can just sue their asses and feel instantly better with my self.

btw, no skating on the side walk, you might touch me.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving a car is dangerous and pointless, if it can be done better by a computer... You seem to think your rights are infringed if you are prevented from staring at a road and pulling some levers. Well, my rights are infringed if you're allowed to choose to risk my life by driving manually on the same road as me. You don't get to make that choice. This discussion seems to be unimportant anyway. I am happily convinced…

Ohh those mean cars with their dangerous levers! Risking my live every single day, tearing apart my hyper self preservation illusions so carefully developed over the years, also bees, their are evil. Lets restrict and regulate other people's abilities so i can sleep at night knowing that there is not a single chance anything happens to me that i didn't approve before hand and if that super smart computer that drives…

About 40,000 Americans die in road accidents a year. 90% of those due to human error. If you think that your freedom to mindlessly stare at some tarmac is worth 36,000 dead Americans every year, that's your right. Good luck trying prevent the inevitable. More realistically, good luck whining about your freedoms on the Internet.

Re: Driverless cars promise to reduce accidents, revolutionise transport

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ohh those mean cars with their dangerous levers! Risking my live every single day, tearing apart my hyper self preservation illusions so carefully developed over the years, also bees, their are evil. Lets restrict and regulate other people's abilities so i can sleep at night knowing that there is not a single chance anything happens to me that i didn't approve before hand and if that super smart computer that drives…

About 40,000 Americans die in road accidents a year. 90% of those due to human error. If you think that your freedom to mindlessly stare at some tarmac is worth 36,000 dead Americans every year, that's your right. Good luck trying prevent the inevitable. More realistically, good luck whining about your freedoms on the Internet.

Finally! the ad-hoc statistics card was played and it came attached with the "but think of the children" postcard too.

btw, if someday you feel the need to stop pulling out stats of your ass, here it is:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/transportation/m...

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