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Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates
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#52I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.
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> Where did you see that? On the news, I only see democrats crying "who's gonna mow my lawn" whenever Donald is deporting illegals, neve republicans.
This is a brain rotten to the core on right wing propaganda.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-stephen-mill...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-u-turn-deporting-farm-21542...
Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates
#53A slightly different take: The key information is halfway down the page, in the figure that shows the number of new graduates and new temporary workers each year. The number of new temporary workers has been relatively stable, while the number of new graduates has been climbing steadily. There was a shortage of software developers in the 2010s. The industry hired more people from abroad than there were graduates from…
> People who chose CS when the job market was hot
and that is their own "fault" for chasing money. The top graduates will still get good outcomes. It's the mediocre money chasers who would do poorly in a down market.
The exact same thing happened to the dotcom boom/bust. You'd think people would learn.
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#54> That's equal to 82% of our graduating class who are guaranteed jobs even before any Americans walk across the stage for their diploma. This is such a weird phrasing. These people are not "guaranteed" jobs. They get a job and then apply for a visa which is granted because they have offer letters. In fact the whole article reads like American government is somehow giving these people jobs rather than allowing them to…
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> This is just so completely outrageous.
> And Trump just approved another wave of Indians on H1B's for next year.
They would rather be poor and underdeveloped than have immigrants start more than half of billion dollar+ startups.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.” ― Lyndon B. Johnson
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#55I applaud the courage to call out this as a problem. With that said I believe that there is a lot more nuance on this issue than the article is willing to provide, or more importantly research needed to be done to be rigorous on this topic. There definitely is some truth here about the H1B1 program in the job market. There are some companies who are absolutely shameless abusers too. I think that all of us working in…
Generally speaking, foreign students subsidize public universities by paying full sticker price for tuition, whereas US students are either in state (paying less) or often receive scholarships and support. Foreign students are not stealing “slots” from Americans. If anything, their tuition dollars make more slots available.
That's like trying to apply "the average american gets 20% of their fiber..." type nutrition information to a 500lb obese person.
It's probably true but not really meaningful in the broader context.
With the current easy money federally backed loans US university funding model the foreign students are just easy money on top of an already screaming money printer more than a noteworthy subsidy of their operations.
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#56I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.
Given that one must be a citizen to vote, this doesn’t appear to be the right angle through which to call out the Democratic Party. If you were to speak with Democratic Party leadership, I believe the emphasis would be on attractive talent from around the world to keep American businesses competitive. Certainly if there are problems with these visa programs, it’s worthwhile to bring them up to elected officials and p…
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#57Alarming statistics … many big companies also set up so-called engineering centers outside of the US and ship IT works there, often sidelining talent they already have in the US. Combining these practices, it would not be surprising the same happened to manufacturing will happen to many other professions.
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#58>The percentage of computer science graduates ... For those who specialized in computer programming, Isn't computer programing all of computer science. This seems like a weird distinction to make? The job market just seems to suck, if it didnt i dont think things like this would come up. I dont think immigration is the reason for the job market sucking. theres no jobs to apply to, theres no jobs to take from american…
> Isn't computer programing all of computer science.
In the same way accountancy is all of math.
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#59> Let that sink in: Half of our computer programming graduates are not in full-time jobs within six months of graduation. In the supposed golden age of technology, when every company claims to be desperately seeking tech talent, half of our trained programmers still need work.
Is this author suggesting that a CS degree is equivalent to programmer training?
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#60"We need to stop pretending that flooding the labor market with foreign workers is somehow beneficial to American students." I do not think anyone is making that point. Clearly a gated and scarce employee pool is always in the advantage of the employee. You can agree or not, but the point is expanded availability of highly skilled labor from CS Graduates benefits the US companies hiring them, not just by removing som…
As a someone who came to the US as a foreign worker, I just want to make one correction. When you say:
> From a geo political perspective, would you rather have these people working to build up US industry, or have them starting and staffing competition in their home countries?
This doesn't happen nearly as often as you probably think. Starting a company in many countries (including my birth country in Latin America) is very difficult. Not only there is no financing, but the justice system is also slow to resolve inevitable contract disputes. Additionally, government regulations crush advanced businesses to the point where it's really difficult for companies to compete internationally. The US remains one of the best places to start a tech company.
Given this, many smart people in my home country decide to work for the government in highly-paid paper-pushing roles, throwing away years of study and computer expertise.