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Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by ShadowBanThis03 »

pbmonster wrote: post #9
criley2 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a widescreen monitor is irrelevant to me unless I fullscreen my browser (which I don't and I assume most don't). My (multiple) browser windows on my very big wide screen are all roughly in 4:3 ~square shape and top tabs make a lot more sense. And unless you have a browser full of tabs, vertical tab lists usually have massive amounts of purely wasted white space and are generally much less space efficient overa…

> Having a widescreen monitor is irrelevant to me unless I fullscreen my browser (which I don't and I assume most don't). Are you kidding? I'm willing to bet 99% of users run their browsers fullscreen. Using the drag-and-drop feature that splits the screen between two GUIs already marks the office power user, a third windows on a single screen brings us into the territory of the hardcore nerds running tiling window m…

The only things I run full-screen on a big monitor are drawing programs and development tools.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by runxel »

dazzawazza wrote: post #3
paintbox wrote: post #2

I understand that search bar position is not changeable by theming, it's a Thunderbird team's decision, but it irks me to see it take up so much premium space. It was the same with browsers, it took many years and iterations to get where we are now (tabs on top, no wasted space) and I think those lessons should be carried over.

I agree with you but it irks me more that the search doesn't find the content I'm looking for. Apple Mail search feels much more useful.

That we can search at all is nearly a miracle given the old and bad infra. At least they work hard (I hope) on replacing the old system with a real database. That should enable the conversation view (Gmail-like), too!

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by bluedino »

SebastianKra wrote: post #49
bluedino wrote: post #36

Had you told me back in 1995, that in 30 years we'd have 4K screens and I would only be able to see 10 emails in my inbox at one time... Netscape 2.02 or Microsoft Mail client from back then looks amazing by comparison.

I'm to young for Netscape, but do you mean this [^1] interface, that's truncating the subject and hiding the body? Also, which use-cases do you have where you need to see 20 emails at once? [^1]: https://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ns_4_email.jpg

Well, you can have a higher screen resolution than 640x480, resize those columns, hide the ones you don't use...

Look at the Thunderbird 1 and 3 screenshots on that page

http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by wpm »

SebastianKra wrote: post #49
bluedino wrote: post #36

Had you told me back in 1995, that in 30 years we'd have 4K screens and I would only be able to see 10 emails in my inbox at one time... Netscape 2.02 or Microsoft Mail client from back then looks amazing by comparison.

I'm to young for Netscape, but do you mean this [^1] interface, that's truncating the subject and hiding the body? Also, which use-cases do you have where you need to see 20 emails at once? [^1]: https://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ns_4_email.jpg

That interface is probably 640x480, so of course it’s truncating things.

And I’m sorry, you really can’t fathom why someone who gets a ton of email would want to see more of them in their inbox at the same time?

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by qingcharles »

_flux wrote: post #17
panzi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don't maximize their windows? I have a 16:9 4k monitor and I maximize everything (browser, IDE, image editor, terminal, mail client) except for the rare occasion when I need something viewed side by side (editor+browser, terminal+browser, 2 file browsers, etc.).

Is the web not a terrible experience in 16:9? My main browser window is closer to 1:1, and even then I have tabs on the left.

I run everything maximized on my 32:9 and it's fine to me.

(I've never had overlapping windows in my life -- I find seeing more than one thing super distracting and it annoys me that this seems to be the default on Macs)

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by dartharva »

t0bia_s wrote: post #13
hk1337 wrote: post #11

1. Didn't realize Thunderbird was still available 2. Windows 11 design on macOS would be trippy.

1. There is no better open-source alternative for Windows for mail/calendar/contacts client.

Honest question, what do you even need a native client for? What can you do on Thunderbird that you can't on a browser?

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by xpressvideoz »

ape4 wrote: post #16

Maybe I am the only one who didn't know this. It seems "fluent" doesn't refer to a fluent interface in programming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluent_interface but rather its a name of a Microsoft style https://fluent2.microsoft.design

Perhaps embarrassingly, I knew the second one, but not the first.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by ghosty141 »

bluedino wrote: post #36

Had you told me back in 1995, that in 30 years we'd have 4K screens and I would only be able to see 10 emails in my inbox at one time... Netscape 2.02 or Microsoft Mail client from back then looks amazing by comparison.

Thats just a setting in thunderbird. Indont see the problem with personal preference to show less emails

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by citrin_ru »

bluedino wrote: post #36

Had you told me back in 1995, that in 30 years we'd have 4K screens and I would only be able to see 10 emails in my inbox at one time... Netscape 2.02 or Microsoft Mail client from back then looks amazing by comparison.

A couple years ago I did run one of early Thunderbird versions in a Windows7 VM and it did look amazing too. TB designers are likely trying to improve UI but most updates are just change how it looks not necessary making it look better or improving UX. Though quick filter is a relatively recent addition if I'm not mistaken and I use it a lot.
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