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Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

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Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

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post #25

I think the only way to approach this is to have a panel of credible people for each beat (maybe from academia) who can qualitatively asses a range of articles and curate a spectrum of articles. However this is all scooting around the fundamental problem that we are all individually responsible for critical thinking - ideally developed through primary and secondary education.

Getting dangerously close to inventing editors w that idea, no good we tried that already :)

Hahaha you're totally right

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#52
post #16

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Ground News makes all news be about left versus right. It teaches its users to approach everything as a political battle. We have enough "left-leaning skeptics" and "right-leaning skeptics", even some "neutral skeptics", but barely any skeptics. The word "skeptic" is poisoned by I will continue to use it. That's intentional.

Skepticism is definitely quite Lindy.. That said, having it as the main tool in the toolbox* is... Something to be skeptical about? *Bundled up with another in-your-face one like "personal experience", this also screams "political".. and thus hard to take seriously (particularly when those personal experiences are actually relevant) Freshness- whatever. You probably already know fresh is somewhat popular, but are you…

What are you talking about?

Get your arguments together, c'mon. I expect more.

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#53
post #52

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Skepticism is definitely quite Lindy.. That said, having it as the main tool in the toolbox* is... Something to be skeptical about? *Bundled up with another in-your-face one like "personal experience", this also screams "political".. and thus hard to take seriously (particularly when those personal experiences are actually relevant) Freshness- whatever. You probably already know fresh is somewhat popular, but are you…

What are you talking about? Get your arguments together, c'mon. I expect more.

That was no argument. Those were observations ;)

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#54
post #2

> This leads the platform to publish dodgy stories from the right, with the appearance that they are just as valid as high-fact reporting from the left or the center. Sadly, this is downstream of mainstream news itself. I think if Ground News attempted to truly solve this problem, the right would condemn Ground News as "fake news" or controlled by Soros like they do Wikipedia. I'm looking to be skeptical of Ground Ne…

The damage is already done, the American Overton Window was successfully shifted right by that brand of ideology with relentless xenophobia and provincial nativism that began with ex-Nixon administration affiliates and also AM proto-hate radio like Paul Harvey. Furthermore, both the mainstream political left and right have been coopted and corrupted by big money, what Gore Vidal called the Property party. Equivocal bothsidesism between center-left and far-right is disinformational malpractice with gerrymandered goalposts.

Plus, advertising on every Youtube channel makes me suspicious.

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#55
post #20

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Honey, Established Titles, BetterHelp, 7CupsofTea, RAID Shadow Legends, FTX, OperaGX, AG1, Factor, HelloFresh, AirUp. How many am I missing? How much more do we need to see to be convinced? I won’t use Ground News or Brilliant (I tried it in 2019 and was unimpressed) because they market so aggressively, something doesn’t smell right!

Don't forget Incogni, I was tempted to subscribe but as you point out, when you see the other kind of services/products youtubers tend to peddle, it gives me pause.

All data broker "removal services" are scams.

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#56
post #26

Left leaning author is of the opinion that left-leaning stories tend to have far better sourcing than right-leaning ones, and are less politically polarized. News at 11.

I think right leaning (in a traditional definition) sort of undersells the current right wing media/political sphere. Its difficult to evaluate the credibility of a movement that is fundamentally, albeit inconsistently anti-institution, anti-intellectual/ anti-education, and believes that coercion is a valid path for the homogenization of a national culture. Credible news isn't left leaning as much as it is the lefto…

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Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#57

Left leaning author is of the opinion that left-leaning stories tend to have far better sourcing than right-leaning ones, and are less politically polarized. News at 11.

Both sides aren't the same. The right is much better at propaganda.

The right is better at propaganda, collaboration, distribution, advertising, investing, fundraising, outreach, and monetization.

Thom Hartmann laments regularly that FreeSpeechTV is a close to a progressive network as there is. Meanwhile, he alleges a conservative media owner offered him multiple millions to change his tune in exchange for distribution, support, and marketing. Yes, he also took advantage of the RT America network while it existed to gain visibility but he maintains he was never censored or told to read "must-air" Kremlin propaganda copy.

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#58
post #28

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Is it a good product? Genuine question

Works ok. Friend shared their account. Proven useful few times. Their app wants persistence and they had sister who sells residential proxies, if you catch my drift.

I'd sooner setup an AWS micro instance with wireguard than use some VPN that might well be logging everything and selling it to data brokers and/or sharing with domestic/foreign intelligence services.

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

#59
post #25

I think the only way to approach this is to have a panel of credible people for each beat (maybe from academia) who can qualitatively asses a range of articles and curate a spectrum of articles. However this is all scooting around the fundamental problem that we are all individually responsible for critical thinking - ideally developed through primary and secondary education.

Getting dangerously close to inventing editors w that idea, no good we tried that already :)

It's the downfall of having zero accountability, infinite reach, and anyone can become a "citizen journalist" without credible, less biased, subject matter experts curating things as a final, fact-checking arbiter.

Re: Why I'm skeptical of Ground News

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Works ok. Friend shared their account. Proven useful few times. Their app wants persistence and they had sister who sells residential proxies, if you catch my drift.

I'd sooner setup an AWS micro instance with wireguard than use some VPN that might well be logging everything and selling it to data brokers and/or sharing with domestic/foreign intelligence services.

TBH good luck doing anything with it, you'll be blocked everywhere.

But yeah I agree. You have to trust someone, somewhere. Adding layers helps tho.

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