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Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by Aachen »

evanelias wrote: post #9
Aachen wrote: post #2

Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I see no mention of it in the post, but MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. Besides of course novelty wearing off as posited for all engines further down the post

> Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I was wondering the same, but I'm not sure if it would make a major change in the graphs. MySQL and MariaDB have both been unpopular on Hacker News for many years. Submissions on either topic rarely get much traction, which then leads to fewer submissions. > MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. No, most large MySQL users are still using MySQL; th…

> there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB

I don't think I even knew I was running MariaDB at first, or perhaps more as a side note that I saw it dropping in mariadb when I apt installed mysql. If you upgraded Debian some time ago, I'm pretty certain you were automatically migrated, so anyone running that (or, presumably, one of the derivatives like Ubuntu) would have migrated knowingly or unknowingly, hence my assumption

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by markwclancy »

Absolute drivel. Comparing operational/transactional databases like MongoDB and Postgres to analytics / columnar datastores like Redshift and Snowflake is meaningless. You might as well as say "...the popularity of hammers is way up, with screwdrivers appearing to be in decline..". If this is the type of data analysis that AI is supporting, we're all in trouble.

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by evanelias »

Aachen wrote: post #51
evanelias wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I was wondering the same, but I'm not sure if it would make a major change in the graphs. MySQL and MariaDB have both been unpopular on Hacker News for many years. Submissions on either topic rarely get much traction, which then leads to fewer submissions. > MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. No, most large MySQL users are still using MySQL; th…

> there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB I don't think I even knew I was running MariaDB at first, or perhaps more as a side note that I saw it dropping in mariadb when I apt installed mysql. If you upgraded Debian some time ago, I'm pretty certain you were automatically migrated, so anyone running that (or, presumably, one of the derivatives like Ubuntu) would have migrated knowingly or unknowingly, hen…

Sure, it's a common point of confusion specifically because a few major Linux distros did that. But SREs / DBAs / DBREs will generally take a much more rigorous approach to database version upgrades. Companies just don't tend to upgrade their important databases in that fashion, and ditto for operating systems if they self-host.

And then there's all the users of managed cloud database offerings (RDS, Cloud SQL, etc) who definitely don't accidentally switch database vendors in that manner. Google Cloud doesn't even offer managed MariaDB, and Azure is retiring their managed MariaDB product.

Also keep in mind MariaDB hasn't been fully drop-in compatible with MySQL for over a decade. They've increasingly diverged in features and minor syntax differences over time.

Just to be clear, I'm not bashing MariaDB, I quite like it as a database. But there's a lot of misconceptions about the relative usage levels of MariaDB vs MySQL among FOSS circles.

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by jiggawatts »

98codes wrote: post #35

Interesting to see SQL Server not listed here, am curious whether it didn't have enough signal, or suffered from being a two-word product, with "SQL" being far too generic on its own.

I’ve also don’t remember SAP HANA, Oracle, or DB2 mentioned even once here but believe me, along with MSSQL these occupy most of the top ten database deployments world wide.

Something that I’ve been thinking about a lot recently is that all of the proprietary vendors are quietly strangling their flagship products.

Free and open source database engines were always “nipping at their heels” but weren’t a serious threat for decades. Only other proprietary engines were.

Now that PostgreSQL has more features than SQL Server and better performance, it’s a serious competitor.

But Microsoft is holding MSSQL’s face under water with core-based licensing. It means that per dollar you get dozens of times less compute available for your data than with open-source systems. That ratio is growing exponentially, because they haven’t redone their pricing in… ever.

Oracle and DB2 are being similarly choked off at the same rate, so looking left and right at their direct competition their respective product managers haven’t noticed the problem, which is akin to Fuji and Kodak raising film prices in lockstep just as digital photography is taking off.

We’re entering the era of “kilocores”: single servers becoming available that have over a thousand cores. You can’t imagine what per-core licensing costs for something like that!

PS: I saw a similar dynamic play out in the network space with load balancers and “web accelerators” like NetScaler sold “by bandwidth” with a starter SKU as small as 2 Mbps. I kept trying to politely explain to the reps that the smallest cloud VMs can cheerfully put out 10 Gbps, and hence their product is a 500x decelerator. They eventually listened to someone and made it bandwidth-unlimited. Too late. Everyone uses NGINX now.

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by thewebguyd »

codeulike wrote: post #55

MS Sql Server not even mentioned. This tells us there is a whole world almost totally omitted from discussion on HN: "Enterprise"

Oracle isn't in there either, which goes to show how much of a bubble HN actually is considering MSSQL and Oracle are #1 and #2 in market share.

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by bellareed »

esafak wrote: post #46
xnx wrote: post #25

Confusingly, I just came across the unrelated https://www.camel-ai.org/ today.

First one to http://camel.ai/ wins :)

I had a semi-viral tweet about my attempt to buy camel.ai useless domain squatter wants $40k for it! https://x.com/isabella_patane/status/1820987472287080867

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by tea-lover »

vercantez wrote: post #21
sega_sai wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am getting an infinite loop of 'Verify you are human'....

We use cloudflare turnstile. Sometimes it blocks some VPNs. Very rarely it blocks some browsers.

It does it "very rarely" if you only care about the most populated & richest areas of the world. It also blocks clients from the neglected "global south" all the time. FWIW, I too am stuck in a captcha loop, and these days I usually just bounce when I see Cloudflare captcha instead of trying to fight it. In your logs it probably looks like bot traffic.

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by morkalork »

thewebguyd wrote: post #57
codeulike wrote: post #55

MS Sql Server not even mentioned. This tells us there is a whole world almost totally omitted from discussion on HN: "Enterprise"

Oracle isn't in there either, which goes to show how much of a bubble HN actually is considering MSSQL and Oracle are #1 and #2 in market share.

I used MS SQL and Oracle at my last job, but what's there to say about them? They've been around forever, are stable and get all the same table-stakes feature updates as everyone else. Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive, you won't be running either on your phone or an embedded device like SQLite either.
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