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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by ksec »

The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted.

The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decision. It is very coherent. It act as if Apple is a single entity even when it was a hundred billion market cap company. Compared to companies like Google and Microsoft, every product and services are like their own subsidiaries. Now Apple has become just another cooperate entity but with design team holding sufficient political power.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by Neil44 »

TheDong wrote: post #29
Kwpolska wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google was there first. During Euro 2024, the "transaction successful" screen displayed some football-related animation.

Was it an ad or an easter egg, like the "google.com" logo animations you get on new years and other holidays? Did it send a push notification or bother the user? Got a screenshot or reference, since a quick google doesn't uncover it?

Yeah it was an Easter egg style thing, similar to when the change the Google logo for special occasions. Not comparable to a push add for a movie (which I also haven't seen a screenshot of yet to be fair)

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by avhception »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #17

I'm sure at some marketing meeting at Google, a VP racing for pole posiiton has wanted to green-light the idea of putting advertisements in their Wallet app. With any luck this backlash against Apple is so significant that a red flag is waved so ferociously that Google will never blast an advertisement out to their Google Wallet users. As the article outlines, I am sure that due to the sheer number of people who use…

While Google may or may not refrain from putting ads in their wallet app due to this incident, the aggressive ways that they use to get me to use the wallet app have been off putting enough.

Every now and then, there is a full-screen popup on my phone that wants to onboard me into the wallet app. The only options I have are "yes" or "later".

Clearly a company that operates on the principle of "If the user doesn't want to, let's just nag them to death until they give up" is not to be trusted.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

#54

Post by JimDabell »

drysart wrote: post #15
bambax wrote: post #12

> That Apple can be trusted in ways that other “big tech” companies cannot. That's funny. Why would Apple be "different"?

Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising. Companies ultimately serve whoever they make their money from; and none of the other big tech players have a comprehensive business model where the end user is the customer instead of the product. And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actio…

> And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actions over the course of many years.

I just want to highlight this because Hacker News can be incredibly dismissive about this.

Apple’s focus on privacy is a competitive advantage. Consumers value it, and Apple’s competitors have business models that undermine it.

Even if you think Tim Cook is the literal devil and Apple will do absolutely anything for a buck, Apple’s focus on privacy is still relevant.

Privacy is valuable to Apple. It’s a wedge they can use against their competitors. Google doesn’t make their fortune selling hardware, they make it selling ads. Privacy is something that gets in the way of Google’s profits.

Because Apple are in this position, it’s profitable to them to champion privacy. It’s something they can do that’s valuable to customers that their competitors are at a disadvantage with.

You don’t have to be a fan of Apple, and you don’t have to trust Apple. All you have to do is believe they want to make money. Being pro-privacy is profitable to Apple, and so they act accordingly.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by chii »

jmsdnns wrote: post #48
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Jobs hated ads. You're right that he never wouldve done what Apple is doing now. Cook needs to stop listening to investors, like Warren Buffett, because he's letting them wreck Apple's integrity for the sake of making a buck. Apple just isnt user focused like they used to be and it's crappy.

Cook is an operations person. He makes the logistics work. He's no visionary. Jobs is a visionary, but is not a logistics person. Apple struck lightning when both existed, to provide complimentary ideas and counterbalances.

Lighting doesnt strike twice imho.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by hshshshshsh »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Yeah. One thing I learned working at a Big company is that companies are full of parasites who are there to get their promotion or salary increase and don't give a cat shit about users or mission or values. Honestly it sucked any joy out of my life but I am stuck here because of visa.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by rglullis »

rafaelmn wrote: post #6
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

I feel vindicated for when I said that the moment Apple's line stops growing, they'll resort to monetizing their users like the rest of big-tech to increase their shareholder returns, and everyone here was like "Nooo, my sweet innocent publicly traded trillion dollar corporation would never betray me like that" . Give it a few more years love, now they're boiling the frog.

What do you mean start monetizing ? I get adds for their Apple Arcade trial on top of my iOS settings main screen. I really hate Apple - but what's stopping me from moving out of the ecosystem is that nobody else builds shit that works and is on same level. The M Pro series processor is only touchable by that one AMD chip you can't get anywhere. Windows is garbage and Linux is a part time job. Android is even worse i…

> The M Pro series processor (...)

even if it were the best processor to ever exist, it's not something that we can not live without.

> Linux is a part time job

It has been good enough for the past 15 years or so.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by latexr »

ksec wrote: post #51

The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

> It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads

What? No they don’t. I wish. Where did you get that idea? Apple loves ads. They do a ton of them and sell them to you. You can’t do an App Store search without seeing an ad right at the top, and the bottom, and the sides, and under your pillow. It’s absolutely littered with them.

What Apple rails against is the tracking and invasion of privacy. Which incidentally ads do a lot of. Even Safari content blockers are ingrained in that philosophy: it’s not about blocking ads, it’s about blocking things that invade your privacy.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by Kwpolska »

TheDong wrote: post #29
Kwpolska wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google was there first. During Euro 2024, the "transaction successful" screen displayed some football-related animation.

Was it an ad or an easter egg, like the "google.com" logo animations you get on new years and other holidays? Did it send a push notification or bother the user? Got a screenshot or reference, since a quick google doesn't uncover it?

It was shown full screen after completing payment, as a distraction, and increasing the time for which Google Wallet takes over your screen during payments.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

#60

Post by bambax »

drysart wrote: post #15
bambax wrote: post #12

> That Apple can be trusted in ways that other “big tech” companies cannot. That's funny. Why would Apple be "different"?

Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising. Companies ultimately serve whoever they make their money from; and none of the other big tech players have a comprehensive business model where the end user is the customer instead of the product. And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actio…

> lack of openness

Lack of openness means lack of privacy. If we can't install apps on the side that have proper adblock filtering, then all the promises in the world are hollow.

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