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Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

danielktdoranie wrote: post #43

I completely support the vigorous vetting of non-citizen seeking entry into the U.S.A. For any non-citizens entering the U.S.A. is a privilege and not a right. They are guests in the U.S.A. and need to respect their host country and its laws. Regarding the auditing social media, it's not just about their posts, but who they are friends with and who are friends with them. Point and case, your personal social media pro…

It's not about terrorism. It's about keeping people with political views that don't align with Stephen Miller and Donald Trump out. This stuff is actively harming the US.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by 15155 »

netsharc wrote: post #45
15155 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It truly does not matter how this opinion can shift with the political climate: foreigners aren't citizens, no matter how much folks would like this to be the case.

> We've got to do a better job of getting across that America is freedom -- freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of enterprise. And freedom is special and rare. It's fragile; it needs protection. Reagan is a hypocritical cunt of course, but how far we've fallen that now you might as well put a chain around Lady Liberty's neck, pull it down like the statues of Saddam Hussein or Assad (or I guess hanging is…

Ah yes, because we don't automatically tolerate foreign political activists (or intelligence operatives, who cares, right?), freedom is all but lost, right?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by 15155 »

axus wrote: post #49
15155 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about foreigners: if you are a guest in someone's country, home, wherever, you should be respectful and quiet. I don't want any foreigners contributing to any political activism whatsoever, regardless of ideology.

I'd certainly expect visitors to be held to the same standards as the natives. This is the problem, as a US citizen I don't want to be respectful and quiet, especially when I disagree with my government.

> I'd certainly expect visitors to be held to the same standards as the natives.

Visitors are held to a higher standard than natives. Visitors do not have control, a vote, etc: they are temporarily permitted by the privilege of policy at the time.

> as a US citizen I don't want to be respectful and quiet, especially when I disagree with my government.

Good, don't be! You're not at risk of having a visa revoked or go unissued.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by jacob_a_dev »

jlebar wrote: post #38
15155 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> anti-american but keeps their opinions to themself, and someone that has no opinions Why do we need to be admitting anti-American individuals to this country for any reason whatsoever? News flash: visas are a privilege, not a right.

Who gets to define what is anti-American? Perhaps you think it's anti-American to believe that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Perhaps I think it's anti-American to believe that the Jan 6 rioters should have been pardoned. Whose purity test should we apply?

When it comes to allowing foreighn students to come to US, which from my understanding is a likely path to citizenship, the executive branch gets to decide, which is basically elected by 51% of population every 4 years.

I prefer the exec branch over no purity test, or delegating to some other "expert" institution.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by netsharc »

danielktdoranie wrote: post #43

I completely support the vigorous vetting of non-citizen seeking entry into the U.S.A. For any non-citizens entering the U.S.A. is a privilege and not a right. They are guests in the U.S.A. and need to respect their host country and its laws. Regarding the auditing social media, it's not just about their posts, but who they are friends with and who are friends with them. Point and case, your personal social media pro…

The criminals will still get in, and the law-abiding foreigners will stay out because "law" is whatever King Donald McFries says nowadays. So congrats, your ensuring the quality of your guests are as shitty as your regime.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by mandmandam »

DragonStrength wrote: post #19
jan_Sate wrote: post #3

I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. If someone's having ill intent, one could easily create a burner account and fill in some random content for the sake of getting thru the visa application. Or they could even just purchase an account somewhere on the internet. Sad to see what US has become.

No one is pretending this is about terrorism now. They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Some outside the US miss that because few countries would have given foreign students this much room for activism in the first place.

> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students.

Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by Chris2048 »

apwell23 wrote: post #35
jan_Sate wrote: post #3

I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. If someone's having ill intent, one could easily create a burner account and fill in some random content for the sake of getting thru the visa application. Or they could even just purchase an account somewhere on the internet. Sad to see what US has become.

Doing that would be visa fraud. Why create any rule if ppl can commit fraud anyways? Why ask for educational qualifications for h1b because ppl can create fake certificates( many do) ?

Would it? What makes aSM account "official"? If I make a burner account, it's still my account.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by neom »

It's not just students btw... we're dealing it this too. My wife is a Korean university professor teaching at an American university, and her visa needs to be renewed by next month. I'm Canadian and she has residency in Canada but the Korean embassy in Canada advised her to travel back to Korea to renew it. She got back to Korea end of May to find that the US embassy in Korea had paused appointments. Monday last week she was able to make an appointment for it, and indeed she was advised her social media will be screened.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

jlebar wrote: post #38
15155 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> anti-american but keeps their opinions to themself, and someone that has no opinions Why do we need to be admitting anti-American individuals to this country for any reason whatsoever? News flash: visas are a privilege, not a right.

Who gets to define what is anti-American? Perhaps you think it's anti-American to believe that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Perhaps I think it's anti-American to believe that the Jan 6 rioters should have been pardoned. Whose purity test should we apply?

The majority of the people's opinion.

Which elected a democratically-elected representative.

That is how democracies work.

If there's anything the executive has power over besides commander in chief, it would be leader in chief of defining what is actually, American.

The fact that prior presidents have actually abdicated this important role, doesn't mean it didn't exist. This is why traditions of the State of the Union, etc exist. The executive gets to call the plays towards unity for Americanism.

This is what foreign countries do as well.

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