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Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by afroboy »

Well it considered the 51 state, it's an extension to USA. Every horrible thing done by them is just what USA want and not the other way around.

Strong country can pose any rules what ever they like this is history repeating it self, The US regime has it's racist roots and colonialism run in their blood, seeing millions of Muslims getting killed is what make them happy.

They allow themselves to have the best weapons but not for the people they kill so they can't retaliate this the real answer here.

I always prey for the day that Rome will fall.

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by neurostimulant »

tguvot wrote: post #50
neurostimulant wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Israel as the most likely country that did the test with SA permission. It's very unlikely that the Soviet, Pakistan, India or France to do nuclear test there.

"most likely" is very bad evidence.

Just read the wiki entry man, it lists plenty of evidence that Israel did it. It's just Israel and SA wouldn't confirm it officially.

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by tguvot »

neurostimulant wrote: post #52
tguvot wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"most likely" is very bad evidence.

Just read the wiki entry man, it lists plenty of evidence that Israel did it. It's just Israel and SA wouldn't confirm it officially.

articles lists a lot of "conclusions made by people" and no evidence

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by yencabulator »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #48
weatherlite wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if what you're saying is true (theocracy, subhuman etc etc), the reality is we have almost 60 years of experience saying Israel isn't irresponsible with nukes. We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc. It would be one giant experiment to have everyone armed with nukes.

> We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc. Can we for a second, step back and acknowledge who CAUSED the instability in those countries? Iran, off the top of my head, had a secular democratic government until the CIA orchestrated a coup. Meanwhile, I certainly don't trust a country with nukes that has single handedly spearheaded a genocide that has resu…

Down that road is applying the logic to USA itself... so Americans fundamentally cannot peer into that abyss.

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by yencabulator »

bell-cot wrote: post #17

Answered in the first 5 words of the subtitle: > According to our elected leaders, we should be very scared of the possibility that Iran could get a nuclear bomb. But Israel already has them, and ... For the past 80 years, it's been all-but-guaranteed that you won't win an American election if you seem insufficiently pro-Israel. Yes, there are plenty of objective arguments for America's foreign policy being far less…

> analyze the American electorate's strong preference

Electorate or lobbyist and entrenched power? Losing funding is a way to lose votes, but doesn't imply anything about voter preference.

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by weatherlite »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #48
weatherlite wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if what you're saying is true (theocracy, subhuman etc etc), the reality is we have almost 60 years of experience saying Israel isn't irresponsible with nukes. We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc. It would be one giant experiment to have everyone armed with nukes.

> We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc. Can we for a second, step back and acknowledge who CAUSED the instability in those countries? Iran, off the top of my head, had a secular democratic government until the CIA orchestrated a coup. Meanwhile, I certainly don't trust a country with nukes that has single handedly spearheaded a genocide that has resu…

> step back and acknowledge who CAUSED the instability in those countries

Even if what you're saying is true, which is a reach imo, that's still not really a good justification to be pro nuclear proliferation in the Middle East.

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by jfengel »

bell-cot wrote: post #17

Answered in the first 5 words of the subtitle: > According to our elected leaders, we should be very scared of the possibility that Iran could get a nuclear bomb. But Israel already has them, and ... For the past 80 years, it's been all-but-guaranteed that you won't win an American election if you seem insufficiently pro-Israel. Yes, there are plenty of objective arguments for America's foreign policy being far less…

Arguably, the last Presidential election was lost because the candidate was insufficiently anti-Israel. I heard a number of people claim that the incumbent's support for Israel during the Gaza conflict was sufficient to reject his hand-picked successor.

It's impossible to know for sure, of course. I do not trust people's claims about their reasons. If she had somehow taken a position that would attract their votes, I can't know how many votes that position would have lost.

Nonetheless... AIPAC didn't make an endorsement in the last election. I don't think that she could have taken an even-more-pro-Israel position and gotten their endorsement. So it may well be that the only path forward is to hope that the anti-Israel crowd would vote if they were pandered to.

(I'll note that I don't believe that they will. I am quite certain they will find some other reason not to vote. But options are becoming thin on the ground.)

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by _zagj »

cpill wrote: post #27

I don't know what the point of nukes are anymore. They will never be used. You'd figure giving Ukraine long range missiles would provoke Russia into using theirs, but they haven't. What would it take other than another nuclear strike to cause Russia or anyone with nukes to actually use them? Separately, if Israel nukes Iran, will we be OK with it? Is there anything Israel can do that would make us say "Stop"?

> They will never be used

The more countries that have them, and the more nuclear weapons over all, the greater the likelihood they'll be used, even if only by accident.

Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?

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Post by _zagj »

yencabulator wrote: post #54
cultofmetatron wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc. Can we for a second, step back and acknowledge who CAUSED the instability in those countries? Iran, off the top of my head, had a secular democratic government until the CIA orchestrated a coup. Meanwhile, I certainly don't trust a country with nukes that has single handedly spearheaded a genocide that has resu…

Down that road is applying the logic to USA itself... so Americans fundamentally cannot peer into that abyss.

The US and Russia up until recently were committed to nuclear disarmament. Reagan even pledged to work towards "a world free of nuclear weapons," a goal that many on both sides of the political spectrum shared. Bizarrely, now I see plenty of leftists (tankies specifically) not just resigned to a world beset by nuclear proliferation, but even enthusiastic about it.
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