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Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by jlgreco »

drumdance wrote: post #45
ddlatham wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is all about streamlining and optimizing for the common case. Not providing options for the minority with different preferences. If your lifestyle doesn't match, then you're doing it wrong.

Huh? How is it "doing it wrong" to live on two continents? Apple may not be the optimum choice for the poster, but perhaps they should tell you that when you're browsing stuff in the Apple store.

I don't think he was signalling his actual approval, but merely conveying what he interpreted to be Apple's assessment of his lifestyle.

Apple thinks he is doing it "wrong" because he isn't fitting into one of the common cases they bothered to plan for.

This comment serves to both emphasise that Apple ignores the long tail and that Apple has the tendency to get people to think that they are "wrong" for wanting something Apple does not currently provide. See: people talking several years ago about why anyone who wanted copy/paste in iOS didn't understand why that was unnecessary.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by cageface »

evoxed wrote: post #50
cageface wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had no end of problems with them while traveling in SE Asia, including having my account locked several times. If I didn't have a few friends inside Apple put in a word for me I think it's very likely my account would still be locked, with absolutely no explanation as to why. I've learned the hard way not to go anywhere near the iTunes store without a VPN back to the U.S.

Do you think it might have to do with the specific countries you're in? I've never had an issue with Apple on this but that's from living in Japan and bouncing back and forth between the US/Japan stores. On the other hand, Google usually takes three days or so of warnings before gmail settles down.

Quite possibly. They may have a much lower threshold for fraud detection for countries like Vietnam or Thailand than they do for Europe or Japan.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by pash »

X-Istence wrote: post #44
pash wrote: post #5

Lest anyone think the problem is solely with juggling accounts across different geographies, here are some examples of how broken the whole Apple ID user experience is, even for people whose digital life never leaves the US: - It's impossible to merge accounts or move purchases from one account to another, even if they are associated with the the same credit card information - If you have ever at any point used an em…

For point number 2, simply delete the "rescue address" and then change the primary ID to that email address you just removed. Primary contact on the account has now been changed.

I've done this—I've even added a different rescue address to try to override whatever's in the database—and still get the message, "Your Apple ID cannot be the same as your rescue email address." ... Totally inexplicable.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by cageface »

ricardobeat wrote: post #42
onosendai wrote: post #7

The writing's been on the wall for a very long time now. This is just another symptom of the continuing clamp down of OS X. The App Store was the first manacle, and Gatekeeper is the second. It's no longer the default that you can install apps from outside the Apple walled garden. I'll go out on a limb and guess that a couple of OS X versions from now they'll move the override to an obscure command line. The next one…

Most of us can't just move to Linux. Using Adobe software on Wine is crap, the app selection is a thousand times smaller and lower quality. Simply having a Fireworks-compatible (and good) app would go 80% of the way...

Exactly. I'm much happier overall on a Linux machine but I have to be able to deal with Photoshop and to a lesser extent Fireworks. If Adobe ever makes a non-crap port of either of these to Linux I will be the first in line with cash in hand to buy it.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by luriel »

ddlatham wrote: post #36
crazygringo wrote: post #13

Oh tell me about it. I used to split my time between the US and Brazil, and had credit cards and bank accounts in both. Sometimes apps I'd want would only be on one store, and sometimes only on the other. But Apple simply doesn't allow for people who reside in multiple countries, and have credit cards in multiple countries. I guess that lifestyle doesn't fit the "Apple way" -- it's thinking too different. It's absolu…

Apple is all about streamlining and optimizing for the common case. Not providing options for the minority with different preferences. If your lifestyle doesn't match, then you're doing it wrong.

> Apple is all about streamlining and optimizing for the common case. Not providing options for the minority with different preferences.

So "think different" really means "think exactly the same as every other Apple user".

Thanks, that explains a lot.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by emcl »

I am forced to browse the Indian app store through my account( I live in India), and i'm sick of the suggestions and the popular list since the people have a pathetic taste for apps here. I have to log out in iTunes and browse the US store to find quality apps.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by geoka9 »

bornhuetter wrote: post #14
w1ntermute wrote: post #8

> So this leaves me with the following options: > 1. Completely nuke my machine, create a new US Apple account and repurchase everything (yeah, right) > 2. Pay $49 to have Apple Support look into the issue > 3. Give up and use Linux (I hear Windows 8 will have a locked-down App store too) As a Linux user, the fact that Apple developers are seriously considering moving to Linux makes me very excited. If even 1% of the…

It probably depends on how much longer the iOS gold rush lasts. I think a lot of developers are on OSX (and very defensive of it) because it represents their gravy train. If the market stabilises or dies down, a lot of people will probably switch over to Linux.

I'd think Windows would be more up their alley due to the similar lack of customization options.

Oh, right. I forgot the hip factor. Windows is too uncool now, after all those Mac/PC commercials.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by luriel »

wisty wrote: post #46

I'm just going to say - walled gardens suck when they have bugs.

We all know well enough that bugs are an universal constant.

But even assuming software without bugs was possible.

Walled gardens still would suck, by design.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by X-Istence »

pash wrote: post #53
X-Istence wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For point number 2, simply delete the "rescue address" and then change the primary ID to that email address you just removed. Primary contact on the account has now been changed.

I've done this—I've even added a different rescue address to try to override whatever's in the database—and still get the message, "Your Apple ID cannot be the same as your rescue email address." ... Totally inexplicable.

I just went through the steps and was able to switch my email address without issues...

Do you have your backup email address in use on another Apple account?

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Post by joering2 »

hmm.. there is really a limit of possible combination for the App Store system: user (multiple), credit card (multiple), location (multiple), devices (multiple), authorized computer (multiple) -- times X amount of actions (add/remove/edit/assign/etc)

Time to time a rather rare combination of the above makes the system clusterf*ck and the the post like this one pops up. This makes me believe that Apple engineers are too lazy to... use the UML ??

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