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How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by nullc »

AFAICT the way most 'recovery' places work is that they'll recover data if there are no issues and any ordinarily skilled IT tech could also recover it. And then otherwise they'll claim it's unrecoverable. Sometimes, it seems, they'll even just claim its unrecoverable because they didn't happen to have or find a compatible drive when that's all that was needed.

I've recovered data from media a number of times a recovery company said it was unrecoverable with no particular difficulty.

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by nullc »

dehrmann wrote: post #6
sllabres wrote: post #4

A lot of work, but with success as reward! Makes you wonder how easy or difficult it will be in 30 years to 'recover' data from today.

> Makes you wonder how easy or difficult it will be in 30 years to 'recover' data from today. The challenges will be different. Flash loses its charge in 30 years, most disks are encrypted, and on-site physical backups are mostly a thing of the past. The source might survive in a cloud repo, but it'll either be tied up for legal reasons or deleted when the customer stops paying the bill. But storage is cheap and gett…

Flash seems to lose its charge a lot faster than that, -- I found ordinary SSDs left in a closet for two years to be full of errors while matched sibling drives left in running systems were fine.

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by keoneflick »

msgodel wrote: post #36
gortok wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about ascii art of a male penis every time you opened your IDE? The point isn’t what you (MyPasswordSucks) would find objectionable, the point is what the median would find objectionable in a professional setting. Luckily we’ve gotten away from the locker room behavior being the median and now the median is approaching good-manners behavior. This is one of the situations where the Overton window shifting makes us…

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>I think everyone can agree women are nicer to look at

How is this toxic bullshit upvoted on HN. What the actual fuck. No everyone does not agree with your bullshit.

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by rjst01 »

retrac wrote: post #22
b112 wrote: post #9

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Regardless of the parent's statement, just normal compute in 30 years, plus general vulnerabilities and weaknesses discovered, will ensure that anything encrypted today is easily readable in the future. I can't think of anything from 30 years ago that isn't just a joke today. The same will likely be true by 2050, quantum computing or not. I wonder how many people realise this? Even if one disagrees with my certainty,…

> I can't think of anything from 30 years ago that isn't just a joke today The gold standard 30 years ago was PGP. RSA 1024 or 2048 for key exchange. IDEA symmetric cipher. This combination is, as far as I am aware, still practically cryptographically secure. Though maybe not in another 10 or 20 years. (RSA 1024 is not that far from brute forcing with classical machines.)

I was wondering exactly how hard factoring RSA-1024 would be today and found this stackexchange answer: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/a/111828

In summary, it estimates the cost at $3.5 billion using commodity hardware, and I'd expect a purpose-built system could bring that cost down by an order of magnitude.

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by ljlolel »

privatelypublic wrote: post #29
ljlolel wrote: post #7

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Easy. The “deleted” even overwritten data can leave ghosts even multiple layers deep (think of a clay tablet or painting with multiple inscriptions) Encryption for 30 years ago? Trivially breakable with quantum

Not this tripe again. The reality is, as soon as humanity figures out how to distinguish between two values (magnetic flux, voltage, pits/lands, etc) we use it to store more data, or move it faster. The end.

Sure but we are talking 30 year old disks so they don’t have that

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by doublerabbit »

toxican wrote: post #42
msgodel wrote: post #36

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Why would you assume other men want to see that shit either? It's weird, creepy, unprofessional, and weird and creepy. Mostly weird and creepy though. Like are you so lonely and horny that you need to plaster your shit with half-naked women?

None of those things. I personally laugh at it for shits and giggles.

"Andy, lol."

It's not weird, nor creepy. Unprofessional maybe, but it's a developers morning shit post and humorous for its time. 1999.

Stop applying the future on to past antics.

If a women had posted a half naked man in ASCII this thread would have different tune.

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

Jean-Papoulos wrote: post #17
tomashubelbauer wrote: post #15

The source code: https://github.com/HighwayFrogs/frogger2-vss I enjoyed skimming through this: https://github.com/HighwayFrogs/frogger2-vss/blob/main/teamS...

Line 427 makes this game NSFW !

Which file? Now I'm curious :)

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by Dylan16807 »

b112 wrote: post #23
Dylan16807 wrote: post #13

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> I can't think of anything from 30 years ago that isn't just a joke today. AES is only 3 years shy of 30. If you used MD5 as a keystream generator I believe that would still be secure and that's 33 years old. 3DES is still pretty secure, isn't it? That's 44 years old. As for today's data, there's always risk into the future but we've gotten better as making secure algorithms over time and avoiding quantum attacks se…

I'll concede your point re: current status of some encryption. However there are loads that were comprised. How do you tell which will fall, and which will succeed in 30 years? All this said, I just think proper mental framing helps. Considering the value of encrypted data, in 30 years, if it is broken. In many cases... who cares. In others, it could be unpleasant.

> However there are loads that were comprised.

There are a lot of interactive systems that have attacks on their key exchange or authentication. And there are hashes that have collision attacks.

But compromises that let you figure out a key that's no longer in use have not been common for a while. And even md5 can't be reversed.

I agree with you about being wary, but I think encryption itself can be one of the stronger links in the chain, even going out 30 years.

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by redeeman »

GEBBL wrote: post #24
msgodel wrote: post #21

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I feel this was an ‘of it’s time’ thing, but I am so glad we have moved on from this. I wouldn’t enjoy working in a workplace where this was acceptable.

seriously, what makes that so bad?

Re: How Frogger 2’s source code was recovered from a destroyed tape [video]

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Post by redeeman »

toxican wrote: post #50
msgodel wrote: post #48

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Oh yeah it's so unpleasant not having to see creepy and gross shit in the work place because some horny dork never grew up. Gosh won't someone please think of the incels?!

ascii cart nude woman is "gross"? What is it about yourself that makes you uncomfortable with this?
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