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Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by legitster »

echelon wrote: post #16
flyinghamster wrote: post #5

Oh great, I get to learn how to use my phone all over again. We need a "leave this the $EXPLETIVE alone" setting for our user interfaces.

I wish we had a dozen phone companies instead of just two. Please write your legislators and demand antitrust action against Apple and Google for the following: - Lack of One-Tap Web Installs (without scare walls or buried settings menus). This is the biggest stranglehold they have. Web installs can be done safely and securely via app signing, permissions, and signature blacklists. - First-party defaults for all the…

As someone who owned a Symbian, a Palm OS, and a Windows phone - I kind of refuse to listen to this argument anymore. I voted with my wallet and all I have to show for it were years of mockery from my peers and a drawerful of bricked devices.

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

butlike wrote: post #49
demosthanos wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This knee-jerk reaction is correct more often than not (see the terrible iOS redesign announced earlier), but in this case it seems like it might be incorrect? I looked through the highlights linked here and the full "What's New" page [0] and am pleasantly surprised to see a few new features but no major overhauls of existing ones. [0] https://www.android.com/16

The issue is this reaction never sticks. Everyone's up in arms, but would you really want to go back to Android KitKat or iOS 2? Probably not for more than novelty, right?

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Re: Android 16 is here

#53

Post by saubeidl »

paxys wrote: post #23

I like their Material Expressive design a lot more now after Apple's big reveal. While it's still a bit too colorful and whimsical for my liking, it does stay much closer to what I think should be the top UX design ideal - be clear, legible, and get out of the way . On the new iOS every screen feels like some UX designer is shouting "look how amazing I am at this!!" at me.

I agree, but that being said, I still think it peaked at the OG Material. I miss elevation shadows.

Re: Android 16 is here

#54

Post by echelon »

isaacaggrey wrote: post #47
echelon wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the biggest case for a full-on Google breakup. Android being split from the platform components. A new company probably still couldn't develop platform pieces if that chink in the armor was made available by the DOJ. But if Google were split along those lines into two or more companies, it would provide nice and healthy gradients on both the hardware/OS and the platform/software sides of the market. We reall…

I agree with your parent post but why would a breakup not equally apply to Apple?

It should! But the parent was referring to Android manufacturers.

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by legitster »

LorenDB wrote: post #48
paxys wrote: post #23

I like their Material Expressive design a lot more now after Apple's big reveal. While it's still a bit too colorful and whimsical for my liking, it does stay much closer to what I think should be the top UX design ideal - be clear, legible, and get out of the way . On the new iOS every screen feels like some UX designer is shouting "look how amazing I am at this!!" at me.

My main complaint with Material Expressive is that every other button seems to be 85% padding and 15% actual content. What happened to reasonable information density?

For control surfaces, padding prevents misclicks. It's actually very important part of perceived interface quality when dealing with a handheld touchscreen device.

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by legitster »

flyinghamster wrote: post #5

Oh great, I get to learn how to use my phone all over again. We need a "leave this the $EXPLETIVE alone" setting for our user interfaces.

None of the changes have actually been that crazy. And at least on my Pixel Google has made new features opt-in after major updates.

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by andrepd »

paxys wrote: post #23

I like their Material Expressive design a lot more now after Apple's big reveal. While it's still a bit too colorful and whimsical for my liking, it does stay much closer to what I think should be the top UX design ideal - be clear, legible, and get out of the way . On the new iOS every screen feels like some UX designer is shouting "look how amazing I am at this!!" at me.

Superfluous animations, cryptic icons and UI elements with no indication of function and capabilities, and ungodly amounts of whitespace that make my 5.8" screen have less information density than my 2009 Nokia. That's not what "legible and gets out my my way" means to me.

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by rjsw »

echelon wrote: post #16
flyinghamster wrote: post #5

Oh great, I get to learn how to use my phone all over again. We need a "leave this the $EXPLETIVE alone" setting for our user interfaces.

I wish we had a dozen phone companies instead of just two. Please write your legislators and demand antitrust action against Apple and Google for the following: - Lack of One-Tap Web Installs (without scare walls or buried settings menus). This is the biggest stranglehold they have. Web installs can be done safely and securely via app signing, permissions, and signature blacklists. - First-party defaults for all the…

You can buy phones now that are not from Apple or Google, I have a Nokia KaiOS one.
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