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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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probably some silly thing like "people should have more rights and protections"

I've yet to find any rights and protections in these cookie banners.

The cookie banners are corps trying to circumvent the rights and protections. If they actually went by the spirit of the protections, the cookie banners wouldn't be needed. Your ire is misdirected.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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I made some GGUFs for those interested in running them at https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Magistral-Small-2506-GGUF ollama run hf.co/unsloth/Magistral-Small-2506-GGUF:UD-Q4_K_XL or ./llama.cpp/llama-cli -hf unsloth/Magistral-Small-2506-GGUF:UD-Q4_K_XL --jinja --temp 0.7 --top-k -1 --top-p 0.95 -ngl 99 Please use --jinja for llama.cpp and use temperature = 0.7, top-p 0.95! Also best to increase Ollama's context length…

Thanks for all you do!

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Europe isn't going to catch up in tech as long as its market is open to US tech giants. Tech doesn't have marginal costs, so you want to have one of it in one place and sell it everywhere and when the infra and talent is already in US, EU tech is destined to do niche products. UK has a bit of it, France has some and that's it. The only viable alternatives are countries who have issues with US and that is China and Ru…

If you close off the market to US tech giants, maybe they'll have some amount of market dominance at home, but I would doubt that would mean they've "caught up" tech wise. There would be no incentive to compete. American EV manufacturing is pretty far behind Chinese EV manufacturing, protectionism didn't help make a competitive car, it just protected the home market while slowly ceding international market after inte…

I agree, protectionism is bad most of the time but it has its place. It is bad when you are ahead, it is useful when you are behind(You want them to be exposed to the cutting edge market but before that you want them to be able to exist in first place even if they are not the best at this very moment).

China's EV dominance is a result of local governments investing and buying from local businesses.

It would be the same with Russia&China. They will receive money from the governments and will sell to local buyers and will aim to expand to foreign markets.

As I said, most AI talent is not American but it is concentrated there. Give them a reason to be somewhere else, some will be somewhere else.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Sorry, this is just getting old... Its a trite talking point and not the reason why there are so few consumer-AI companies in Europe.

And what would be the reason? I am genuinely interested. Also, are there viable not "consumer" AI companies here? Only Mistral seems to train foundation models, and good for them, however, as of now they are absolutely not SOTA.

Money.

No, really - EU doesn't have the VCs and the megacorps. People laugh at EU sponsoring projects, but there is no private money to sponsor them. There are plenty of US companies with sites in the EU though, so you have people working the problems, but no branding.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe isn't going to catch up in tech as long as its market is open to US tech giants. Tech doesn't have marginal costs, so you want to have one of it in one place and sell it everywhere and when the infra and talent is already in US, EU tech is destined to do niche products. UK has a bit of it, France has some and that's it. The only viable alternatives are countries who have issues with US and that is China and Ru…

If you close off the market to US tech giants, maybe they'll have some amount of market dominance at home, but I would doubt that would mean they've "caught up" tech wise. There would be no incentive to compete. American EV manufacturing is pretty far behind Chinese EV manufacturing, protectionism didn't help make a competitive car, it just protected the home market while slowly ceding international market after inte…

> There would be no incentive to compete.

Why not ? First of all there would be plenty of incentives for EU companies to compete with one another (and plenty of capital flowing to them as the European market is big enough), then there would be competition with US actors in the rest of the world. That's exactly how the Asian economic model has been built: Japan, Taiwan, South Korea all have used protectionism + export-based subsidies to create market leaders in all kind of domains (from car manufacturing to electronics and shipbuilding).

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

#56

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probably some silly thing like "people should have more rights and protections"

I've yet to find any rights and protections in these cookie banners.

cookie banners are malicious compliance while we head towards the death of cross-site cookies, they are indeed a poor implementation but the legislation that lead to them did not come up with it

did you really prefer when companies were selling your data to third parties and didn't have to ask you?

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.

Europe isn't going to catch up in tech as long as its market is open to US tech giants. Tech doesn't have marginal costs, so you want to have one of it in one place and sell it everywhere and when the infra and talent is already in US, EU tech is destined to do niche products. UK has a bit of it, France has some and that's it. The only viable alternatives are countries who have issues with US and that is China and Ru…

Which Trump/Musk level? There have been so many.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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post #52

I made some GGUFs for those interested in running them at https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Magistral-Small-2506-GGUF ollama run hf.co/unsloth/Magistral-Small-2506-GGUF:UD-Q4_K_XL or ./llama.cpp/llama-cli -hf unsloth/Magistral-Small-2506-GGUF:UD-Q4_K_XL --jinja --temp 0.7 --top-k -1 --top-p 0.95 -ngl 99 Please use --jinja for llama.cpp and use temperature = 0.7, top-p 0.95! Also best to increase Ollama's context length…

Thanks for all you do!

Thanks!

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

#59
post #11

Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.

"EU is leading in regulation", they say. I don't know what they are thinking.

Honestly the US approach to AI is incredibly irresponsible. As an American, I'm glad that someone somewhere is thinking about regulation. Not sure it will be enough though: https://xcancel.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1922710969785917691#m

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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post #44

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probably some silly thing like "people should have more rights and protections"

EU regulation is often "you can not have the cool thing" not "the cool thing must be operated equitably". I think they are more interested in protecting old money than in protecting people.

I think usb-c and third party app stores are pretty cool
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