Maybe they could pay some Danish software dev to improve the product with all the license money they will save.
The Danish Ministry of Digitalization Is Switching to Linux and LibreOffice
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#52Talking to my Danish friends, and I have a fair few in tech, the country is owned by Microsoft. A lot of code jobs are c# on Azure, and all the office people use Excel. This is a welcome change. I've thought for a long time, why would your average office worker even need to pay MS for their desktop OS when so many things could just be done on the web? And why develop a bunch of stuff on a proprietary platform when yo…
Same in Sweden :-(
Hundreds of millions of taxpayers money goes to Microsoft licenses for the public sector every year.
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#53I wish there was a fund we could pool money into to make LibreOffice less ugly to look at. I'll happily donate to the cause.
That’s the nice thing about Open Source. Nothing’s stopping you from organizing this yourself.
Opportunity cost can’t be ignored, and that is absolutely a huge cost.
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#54It's a few times over the years I've read about govs switching to linux like this. Anyone know how they got on?
They give up and switch to Windows (again). The highest profile was in Munich where they did migrate >10,000 desktops to Linux and OpenOffice, but eventually they migrated back to Windows and Office: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux Lower Saxony: https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-scores-a-win-over-linu... Vienna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wienux Note that even when these projects succeed, the software user…
Speaking completely off the cuff here, but I suspect that as government applications move to be web-based, perhaps there could be another wave of Linux adoption since all it would take essentially is a functioning browser.
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#55I wish there was a fund we could pool money into to make LibreOffice less ugly to look at. I'll happily donate to the cause.
That’s the nice thing about Open Source. Nothing’s stopping you from organizing this yourself.
The converse of this is the bad thing about open source. Although seemingly nothing's stopping people sometimes, somehow stuff still tend not to get done.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mitid fully works under Linux. However, it should be a mandate in the tender that all modern browsers are supported regardless of the operating system.
Oh nice, it seems the Swedish BankID works very differently as it isn't possible here :(
Sweden should start by not using the banks for their national digital ID scheme.
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#57Maybe they could pay some Danish software dev to improve the product with all the license money they will save.
They are not going to save any money. That wast amount of money goes to Microsoft 365 and everybody still needs a CAL license for that regardless of which client they have installed.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s the nice thing about Open Source. Nothing’s stopping you from organizing this yourself.
This is the standard voice of someone who's never had to deal with a badly maintained or managed open source product or an asshole maintainer or had to run a fork for 6 years because no one will merge a trivial fix in. Or had a LibreOffice bug open for a decade. Yeah I can really get in there and spend 2 years ripping the horrible UI out, then have to run a fork because it's not of interest to the maintainers and wil…
I don't understand these stories: Do people talk to the maintainer before they work on the change? If not, why not? It seems necessary and obvious to get people on board before you invest in something.
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#59There is currently a very strong reason to migrate to Open Source: the big tech corps are pushing people into their clouds and this leads to new constraints on your planning because now you are subject to the software company's product lifecycle.
So, if before you could run your old version of Oracle or whatever for as long as you wanted (if you could live without the support), now you have no choice. When the support for a product is dropped on the cloud, you have to upgrade whether you are ready for it or not.
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#60I used to love LibreOffice when it was OpenOffice.org. When it got unshackled from Oracle, it somehow became kinda uglier, and unfortunately it wasn't able to keep up with the times technology-wise, as all efforts to make it online are a failure of usability and speed. What we, the humanity, need, is a free-as-in-freedom open source set of web applications that work like Google Docs / Spreadsheets / Slides, but can b…
> What we, the humanity, need, is a free-as-in-freedom open source set of web applications that work like Google Docs / Spreadsheets / Slides, but can be self-hosted and would natively use OpenDocument file format.
There's an effort called numerique, out of fr and de governments. It seems to have docs, spreadsheet and meet now, and more on the way.