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A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Re: A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Post by atoav »

fipar wrote: post #27
atoav wrote: post #14

As a guitar player (20+ years) and a audio engineer/electrical engineer/dsp programmer one thing that really keeps baffling me about the field of guitar playing is how much myths about what affects the sound in which way exists. With people trying to get the sounds of their stars by buying products that were made in the 60s and somehow assuming the wild quality fluctuations and effects of the recording chain during t…

We should be grateful for the people that get a new guitar every month since I bet they keep that industry alive. I don’t think it would survive on professional musicians alone, though I could be wrong. We would certainly have professional luthiers, but I’m not sure about production lines… In any case, your comment on a 200 Euro guitar reminded me of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/$100_Guitar_Project And to co…

You're probably right, their obsession makes it cheaper for the rest of us. So maybe I should have just kept silent haha.

Re: A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Post by marpstar »

atoav wrote: post #51
fipar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should be grateful for the people that get a new guitar every month since I bet they keep that industry alive. I don’t think it would survive on professional musicians alone, though I could be wrong. We would certainly have professional luthiers, but I’m not sure about production lines… In any case, your comment on a 200 Euro guitar reminded me of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/$100_Guitar_Project And to co…

You're probably right, their obsession makes it cheaper for the rest of us. So maybe I should have just kept silent haha.

People with more money than reason to play who can't seem to find "the one" have been supplying me with excellent second-hand guitars for years.

Re: A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Post by mrob »

cpursley wrote: post #40
criddell wrote: post #34

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Justin Sandercoe (Justin Guitar on YouTube) did a series[1] where he bought the cheapest electric guitar on Amazon (£60 I think) and then had a guitar tech friend of his do a complete setup. Many times through the series both Justin and the tech remarked at how good the £60 guitar is. The problem with buying an inexpensive guitar is mostly psychological. Do you really want to pay for a $200 setup on a $100 guitar? Pe…

Toms amps were anything but budget. Electric guitar tone is 75% a good tube amp with rest being pickups and intonation.

Jim Lill has a video testing amp tone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcBEOcPtlYk

It's almost entirely EQ and distortion, applied in various orders (the exact signal chain matters, because EQ after distortion sounds different than distortion after EQ). By getting this right you can simulate any tube amp tone with solid state to a high degree of accuracy.

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Post by entropicdrifter »

atoav wrote: post #47
lrmunoz wrote: post #18

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What is a "a 200 Euro guitar and a 250 Euro amplifier" setup that you recommend? Honest question.

That guitar: https://www.thomann.de/de/harley_benton_hbt1952.htm > And that amplifier: https://www.thomann.de/de/harley_benton_tube15_celestion.htm > The amp is based on the Monoprice Stage Right 15W which is a clone of the Laney Cub 12R which is losely inspired by the Vox AC15. So you get a decent 15W tube amp with a real spring reverb for 260 Euros. There is not a lot with that amount of bang for the buck out there…

That's a solid amp for the money, but IMO you get even more bang for your buck if you can snag a used Boss Katana 50. Loud enough to play in a band, hundreds of possible tones, excellent software for recording and customizing tones while plugged into your PC.

Re: A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Post by entropicdrifter »

cpursley wrote: post #40
criddell wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Justin Sandercoe (Justin Guitar on YouTube) did a series[1] where he bought the cheapest electric guitar on Amazon (£60 I think) and then had a guitar tech friend of his do a complete setup. Many times through the series both Justin and the tech remarked at how good the £60 guitar is. The problem with buying an inexpensive guitar is mostly psychological. Do you really want to pay for a $200 setup on a $100 guitar? Pe…

Toms amps were anything but budget. Electric guitar tone is 75% a good tube amp with rest being pickups and intonation.

Electric guitar tone is ~95% the tone of the speaker, distortion (if applicable), room/mic positioning, and EQ

Re: A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Post by jimnotgym »

rwmj wrote: post #25
mahmoudhossam wrote: post #22

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A Harley Benton or similar guitar paired with a 100 Euro audio interface plugged into a computer that runs Neural Amp Modeler has been the perfect setup for me https://www.neuralampmodeler.com/

I play guitar to get away from computers!

My experience is that amp simulators sound pretty close to a valve amp, but they don't feel and react to your playing like one. This may or may not matter to you. That said, you are never going to be able to turn up loud enough to get the sound in an average apartment, and digital works better for me volume

Re: A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Post by jimnotgym »

lrmunoz wrote: post #18
atoav wrote: post #14

As a guitar player (20+ years) and a audio engineer/electrical engineer/dsp programmer one thing that really keeps baffling me about the field of guitar playing is how much myths about what affects the sound in which way exists. With people trying to get the sounds of their stars by buying products that were made in the 60s and somehow assuming the wild quality fluctuations and effects of the recording chain during t…

What is a "a 200 Euro guitar and a 250 Euro amplifier" setup that you recommend? Honest question.

A second hand Squier Classic Vibe strat and a second hand valve amp.

Re: A Secret Trove of Rare Guitars Heads to the Met

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Post by jimnotgym »

cpursley wrote: post #40
criddell wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Justin Sandercoe (Justin Guitar on YouTube) did a series[1] where he bought the cheapest electric guitar on Amazon (£60 I think) and then had a guitar tech friend of his do a complete setup. Many times through the series both Justin and the tech remarked at how good the £60 guitar is. The problem with buying an inexpensive guitar is mostly psychological. Do you really want to pay for a $200 setup on a $100 guitar? Pe…

Toms amps were anything but budget. Electric guitar tone is 75% a good tube amp with rest being pickups and intonation.

And a million dollars of studio equipment to record it
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