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KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by bjoli »

bdbenton5255 wrote: post #17

I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and telemetry. Great daily driver.

I cane back to plasma after about year of gnome. It made me realize how much I dislike gnome. There are just so many issues. Inhad to solve them with extensions, but then it broke on updates. I couldn't get it to have English as language but ISO units.

I had to install an extra app to control startup applications.

Fractional scaling and several displays was wonky, made screen recording impossible. My 60fps display has a stuttery mouse pointer.

Hiding keyboard layouts like Swedish Sami or svdvorak didn't make things better.

Copy and paste not working cross screens (wtf?). Drag and drop not working if you switch windows using alt+tab. Context menus locking focus from the whole desktop: open the nautilus file transfer dialogue and suddenly I couldn't click anywhere else than in nautilus. Having it open and trying to interact with another app just wouldn't work.

At the end had accidentally tried KDE in a VM and realized I wouldn't tolerate a hammer behaving badly. I went back to opensuse the same day.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by hagbard_c »

gerdesj wrote: post #14
hagbard_c wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, but the Dutch can get there without indirection which means they're faster than those label-swapping Anglo- and Francophones.

French is not Germanic. It's a Romance language, so closer to Spanish, Italian, Portuguese etc English, German and Dutch are Germanic.

It is a curious fact that grasshoppers have their ears in their legs. Curious, interesting and as relevant to the discourse as the fact that French is a Romance language. Maybe you intended to respond elsewhere in this thread?

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by Spivak »

nicman23 wrote: post #39
hxorr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah - I just want to be able to run Office in my Linux desktop - I don't care if the windows VM instance takes an extra 8gb ram, I just want it to work seamlessly

microsoft has a monetary incentive to never allow that. although you can do something like that with rdp in xorg

Parallels does it on macOS and it works. Windows also provides a way to RDP individual applications so it's "just" a matter of the client hiding the seam.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by neuroticnews25 »

mrheosuper wrote: post #49
hxorr wrote: post #23

I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE

Surprisingly Windows support this with their WSL2. It caught me off guard when i tried to run "nautilus" just for fun.

ChromeOS also supports this, making the OS experience somewhat tolerable.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by panzi »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #7
fishgoesblub wrote: post #4

Nice, having a new alternative to virt-manager is great, especially a Qt one. Unfortunate it's using Kirigami and Qt Quick, I always felt the appearance and functionality is much worse compared to Qt Widgets.

Indeed, an alternative to virt-manager would be more than welcome. "What, you want to search the XML for a text string? Why would you want to do that? Undo? That's crazy talk!" I had hoped KDE was over the K-named thing, but I guess not. At least Karton is better than Kvirt-manager.

Karton is German for cardboard and is often used as short for Karton Schachtel (cardboard box), so I guess it's about boxing. A lot of the time the German word for something is similar to the English word just with a K instead of a C. And I think a lot of KDE developers are German. So that makes sense to me.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by Anarch157a »

mrheosuper wrote: post #49
hxorr wrote: post #23

I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE

Surprisingly Windows support this with their WSL2. It caught me off guard when i tried to run "nautilus" just for fun.

That's because WSL2 implements an X11 client and sets the DISPLAY variable. X11 network transparency does the rest. You can do the same on Linux, as long as you're to learn how X11 arcane permission system works.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by dagw »

marcodiego wrote: post #19
bdbenton5255 wrote: post #17

I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and telemetry. Great daily driver.

I tried KDE 1.0 two decades ago. Although it looked like a copy of windows ideas in some points, it already seemed better even at the time.

KDE 1 was clearly a 'copy' of CDE, hence the name. KDE 2 was much more windows like.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by qalmakka »

bjoli wrote: post #51
bdbenton5255 wrote: post #17

I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and telemetry. Great daily driver.

I cane back to plasma after about year of gnome. It made me realize how much I dislike gnome. There are just so many issues. Inhad to solve them with extensions, but then it broke on updates. I couldn't get it to have English as language but ISO units. I had to install an extra app to control startup applications. Fractional scaling and several displays was wonky, made screen recording impossible. My 60fps display ha…

GNOME has great software, nice UI, horrible UX. It's like as if the designers actively tried to make their software as opinionated and as castrated as they physically could

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by qalmakka »

Anarch157a wrote: post #57
mrheosuper wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprisingly Windows support this with their WSL2. It caught me off guard when i tried to run "nautilus" just for fun.

That's because WSL2 implements an X11 client and sets the DISPLAY variable. X11 network transparency does the rest. You can do the same on Linux, as long as you're to learn how X11 arcane permission system works.

Windows implements and X11 _server_ (the client in X11 jargon is the app, which if remote works on a remote server - yeah it's confusing. You can have the X11 server on a thin client showing data from an X11 client running on a remote server). They also added Wayland support, too.
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