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Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by tonyhart7 »

yorwba wrote: post #31
tonyhart7 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"animated video generation model presented by Bilibili." You understand that china has "different" view on copyright,license etc right??

Not that different. Bilibili is a big, above-board video streaming service; they definitely have distribution rights to a large collection of anime content. (They also have YouTube-style user uploads where proper licensing is less likely.) It's the equivalent of Crunchyroll putting out a video generation model. If the rightsholders disagree with this usage, it'll come up during the negotiations for new releases.

"It's the equivalent of Crunchyroll putting out a video generation model. If the rightsholders disagree with this usage"

how can you prove then??? its literally the same way OpenAI use Ghibli material and they can't do anything about it

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by wodenokoto »

kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

I think the “paper rock cross blade” short films by Corridor is absolute great and can by all accounts be called art and if they make a 3rd they will probably use this model.

In terms of losing styles, that is already been happening for ages. Disney moved to xeroxing instead of inking, changed the style because inking was “too hard”. In the late 90s/early 2000s we saw a burst of cartoons with a flash animation style on TV because it was a lot easier and cheaper to animate in flash.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

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Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by rhubarbtree »

kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

I think many artists will see that if they publish anything original then AI companies will immediately use it as training data without regards to copyright.

The result will be less original art. They will simply stop creating it or publishing it.

IMO music streaming has similarly lead to a collapse in quality music artistry, as fewer talented individuals are incentivised to go down that path.

AI will do the same for illustration.

It won’t do the same for _art_ in the “contemporary art” sense, as great art is mostly beyond the abilities of AI models. That’s probably an AGI complete task. That’s the good news.

I’m kinda sad about it. The abilities of the models are impressive, but they rely on harvesting the collective efforts of so many talented and hardworking artists, who are facing a double whammy: their own work is being dubiously used to put them out of a job.

Sometimes I feel like the tech community had an opportunity to create a wonderful future powered by technology. And what we decided to do instead was enshittify the world with ads, undermine the legal system, and extract value from people’s work without their permission.

Back in the day real hackers used to gather online to “stick it to the man”. They despised the greed and exploitation of Wall Street. And now we have become torch bearers for the very same greed.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by kouteiheika »

sshine wrote: post #44
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

It’s great that you have sympathy for illustrators, but I don’t see a big difference if the training data is a novel, a picture, a song, a piece of code, or even a piece of legal text. As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. In the…

> As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower.

She was lucky to be able to retire when she did, as the job of a translator is definitely going to become extinct.

You can already get higher quality translations from machine learning models than you get from the majority of commercial human translations (sans occasional mistakes for which you still need editors to fix), and it's only going to get better. And unlike human translators LLMs don't mangle the translations because they're too lazy to actually translate so they just rewrite the text as that's easier, or (unfortunately this is starting to become more and more common lately) deliberately mistranslate because of their personal political beliefs.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by yorwba »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #51
yorwba wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that different. Bilibili is a big, above-board video streaming service; they definitely have distribution rights to a large collection of anime content. (They also have YouTube-style user uploads where proper licensing is less likely.) It's the equivalent of Crunchyroll putting out a video generation model. If the rightsholders disagree with this usage, it'll come up during the negotiations for new releases.

"It's the equivalent of Crunchyroll putting out a video generation model. If the rightsholders disagree with this usage" how can you prove then??? its literally the same way OpenAI use Ghibli material and they can't do anything about it

OpenAI doesn't have an existing business based on licensing Studio Ghibli content, so the only option Studio Ghibli has to stop them is to sue them and hope that OpenAI is found to have infringed their copyright.

Bilibili does have an existing business based on licensing Studio Ghibli content, so Studio Ghibli can threaten to refuse to sell them distribution rights for future releases, even without a lawsuit.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by varelse »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #54
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

I think many artists will see that if they publish anything original then AI companies will immediately use it as training data without regards to copyright. The result will be less original art. They will simply stop creating it or publishing it. IMO music streaming has similarly lead to a collapse in quality music artistry, as fewer talented individuals are incentivised to go down that path. AI will do the same for…

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Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by briansm »

earthnail wrote: post #47
sshine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s great that you have sympathy for illustrators, but I don’t see a big difference if the training data is a novel, a picture, a song, a piece of code, or even a piece of legal text. As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. In the…

Here’s the argument: The output of her translations had no copyright. Language developed independently of translators. The output of artists has copyright. Artists shape the space in which they’re generating output. The fear now is that if we no longer have a market where people generate novel arts, that space will stagnate.

Makes me wonder if the generous copyright protections afforded to artists had not become so abhorrent (thanks, Disney) then this kind of thing might not have happened.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by khalic »

kouteiheika wrote: post #55
sshine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s great that you have sympathy for illustrators, but I don’t see a big difference if the training data is a novel, a picture, a song, a piece of code, or even a piece of legal text. As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. In the…

> As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. She was lucky to be able to retire when she did, as the job of a translator is definitely going to become extinct. You can already get higher quality translations from machine learning model…

This is just not true, LLMs struggle very hard with even basic recursive questions, nuances and dialects
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