Live data from Hacker News

Ground control to Major Trial

virtualize.sh

51–60 of 201 posts

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#51
As CTO, I feel pretty strongly about this type of behavior and lie the blame squarely on the Aerospace Co’s CTO.

Being scrappy early on is part of the job, but when you are starting to generate revenue it’s time to convert your free tiers to starter tiers as you scale.

I’m sorry that there are people in our industry who choose to behave this way.

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#52
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually considering reaching out directly to the CEO and telling the full story. But honestly? There’s a good chance he’s fully aware — and totally fine with it. That’s part of what makes it so disappointing. We’re not rushing into legal action — it’s not worth the energy for now — but publicly calling out the behavior felt necessary. It also sends a message to others in the ecosystem about the kind of nonsense…

Just straight to court " it’s not worth the energy for now" Not sure what the amount is, but Small Claims is pretty straightforward and energy efficient? You can get like 10K depending on jurisdiction. The whole trial is like 1 hour.

We operate globally, and this company isn’t even on our continent. On top of that, it’s a semi state-operated entity — so you can probably imagine where any legal effort would end up: somewhere between bureaucratic limbo and /dev/null.

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's practically trivial to bypass this if you really want to. CapitalOne in the US allows you to have virtual cards that can be verified but you can delete and block at any time for free if you have a credit card from them. I'm sure the practice discourages casuals from gaming trials, but it just feels like it's making life miserable for paying customers but doing almost nothing to stop bad actors

Those types of card numbers are detectable though.

They are detectable only if the issuer has a dedicated BIN for virtual cards. If they issue in the same BIN as your regular card, there's no way to detect without issuer cooperation, which would defeat the point.

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#54
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually considering reaching out directly to the CEO and telling the full story. But honestly? There’s a good chance he’s fully aware — and totally fine with it. That’s part of what makes it so disappointing. We’re not rushing into legal action — it’s not worth the energy for now — but publicly calling out the behavior felt necessary. It also sends a message to others in the ecosystem about the kind of nonsense…

> publicly calling out the behavior > I’m still holding off on naming the company directly Does not compute. Why not name them?

Lawsuits aren’t fun.

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#56
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually considering reaching out directly to the CEO and telling the full story. But honestly? There’s a good chance he’s fully aware — and totally fine with it. That’s part of what makes it so disappointing. We’re not rushing into legal action — it’s not worth the energy for now — but publicly calling out the behavior felt necessary. It also sends a message to others in the ecosystem about the kind of nonsense…

> publicly calling out the behavior > I’m still holding off on naming the company directly Does not compute. Why not name them?

by declaring, but not acting yet, the OP gives the company an out, and allow a potential payday to come. After all, everybody is after money. Any action which seems strange or wild, when considered from the POV of making money, would start to sense.

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#57
It’s probably time to channel larry ellison and shake these guys down. Or at least shake their pockets for loose change.

They are stealing from you. As you point out you go out of your way to help companies with your oss options: you’re way on the right side of principled and generous. this is abuse. Don’t put up with it.

Given the history, I’d suggest a short C&D recounting the 10 years(!) of theft, the measures they’ve gone to, and tell them they have 15 days to either stop or get licensed, or you will seek 10 years of back licensing, interest and penalties. I assure you that you will receive a call from someone. Especially if you have to turn the software off on day 16.

Anyway this seems substantial to me, but also there’s an ethical and philosophical question of responsibilities. Do you have more responsibility to your employees and shareholders or to this space company? Even if you’re crazy rich as a company, I propose as the CEO you owe a pretty strong duty to those stakeholders to try and recover stolen assets. You don’t have to be mad at random spaceco, but I propose you might think hard before walking away.

Quick edit: just to frame your head on this: If the company is in the US then this behavior likely falls under DMCA anti-circumvention laws. if it does, people would have criminal liability. Now, I believe the DMCA is terrible legislation; it lets corporations create criminal liability through license agreements. But, it is the law of the land here, and I would guess as soon as your attorney can lay this out, and their attorneys get an eye on it, you will find willing negotiation happening.

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#58
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually considering reaching out directly to the CEO and telling the full story. But honestly? There’s a good chance he’s fully aware — and totally fine with it. That’s part of what makes it so disappointing. We’re not rushing into legal action — it’s not worth the energy for now — but publicly calling out the behavior felt necessary. It also sends a message to others in the ecosystem about the kind of nonsense…

> publicly calling out the behavior > I’m still holding off on naming the company directly Does not compute. Why not name them?

Because as long as they don't name them, there's still a chance they'll pay up or self-host. As soon as they do name them, any chance of a meaningful business relationship will disappear.

Re: Ground control to Major Trial

#59

I got distracted a few paragraphs in by the realization that the text was AI-generated.

I first write my entire text and then after that I use a LLM to fix the grammar and have a better flow. I'm doing my best but I'm not a native US speaker. Before LLMs, people complained about the weird sentences or mistakes I made. Pick your poison ;) Anyway, I'm doing my best to keep my own "signature" in writing, but it's really hard when you see a better phrasing generated on your original more limited vocabulary.…

Comparing it to the LLM's previous post on your blog, it's a little better - that one's got far more of the superfluous analogies and interrupting em-dashes. I honestly think you'd be better off posting your own writing put through DeepL than letting the LLM churn it into mediocrity.
Post reply on HN