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The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

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Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

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This post argues that collapsing birth rates aren’t just about housing or money — they’re a rational response to the sense that the future is unstable, meaningless, or even dangerous. It introduces the concept of “temporal inflation” — the idea that just like money loses value in hyperinflation, time loses value when people can’t trust the future. Would love to hear if this resonates with others.

Is this AI generated?

Too many em dashes?

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

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post #35

This post argues that collapsing birth rates aren’t just about housing or money — they’re a rational response to the sense that the future is unstable, meaningless, or even dangerous. It introduces the concept of “temporal inflation” — the idea that just like money loses value in hyperinflation, time loses value when people can’t trust the future. Would love to hear if this resonates with others.

Not getting kids is a cultural issue. My mom used to say exactly the same, but she still got 3 kids with very little money because her social groups expected her to have children.

“social groups expected”

Catholic?

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

#53

He is right, if he also stops well short of saying what he might. But "the politicians", as always, are only doing what the people are telling them to. The human species has decided to shut down.

The human species has eight billion people. If the birthrate is still low when it's four billion, or two billion, I'll start to have concern for the species.

Would that it were a game of SimCity. If/when we get to 4B, 2B, it will be only after displacements of whole populations, mass-starvation, and likely brutal war.

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

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post #12

> Nobody knows Have you tried asking them? In particular, asking the women who are making the career-or-children decision? South Korea is invoked, but it seems like the population there has almost perfectly levelled out at just over 51m: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/kor/sou... of which 20m live in Seoul. This discussion comes up a lot on HN, and it seems to be one where there are answers, but…

Sometimes asking people will give you true insight, and sometimes it will give you false insight because the people themselves don't consciously know and make things up that seem right but are not; or, a behavior or decision is the product of a chain of other things that's too complex to reason about or communicate easily even if each link in the chain is consciously known.

On South Korea, you might want to consider this chart instead: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/KOR/sou...

KOR's Fertility rate has been under 1.25 for two decades. It follows then that "stable" population can only be the result of three factors:

1. Pushing the population curve out through longer lives;

2. Immigration;

3. Time-effect offsets of the fertility rate; for instance, if it's the projected fertility rate of females born in a given year, it would take roughly 20-40 years for the fertility rate to have its effect on the population curve.

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

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We are enough people on the planet. Why does this read like we have to have kids? I'm completly fine not having kids surprise \o/

It's how society will break down without a younger generation in quantity that is paying for social security, earning taxes for society, etc.

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

#56

I think we very rapidly went from a world with high child mortality rates, no access to birth control and children being at least moderately useful on the farm or doing some other work quite young to a world where having children is both a choice and very very expensive. This happened depending on where you live in the course of 1-3 generations. We are still grappling with how you incentivize and promote parenthood w…

> We are still grappling with how you incentivize and promote parenthood when the future costs of each child are 6 figues.

Six figures? False because poor people have been having children forever and continue too.

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not surprised. Housing went up a lot in recent years and it is not affordable for most young people. And if you have to rent, why not rent your parent's?

Housing in the West was basically turned into another pillar of retiree funding. Old people extract tremendous financial gains from younger generations by either a) selling them decrepit real estate at extremely high prices or b) collecting very high rents on buildings that are even older than themselves (even in the US, which is the king of corporate landlording, they are a small minority; most landlords are natural…

No matter the system you'd end up with the working age population tending for the children and elderly. I don't think that in it self is a problem. You could argue around implementation details though ...

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

#59
Everyone is going to want to reach for their favorite modern problem, but every point in history is fraught with sociopolitical and economic challenges. Today is not special, in that regard.

My personal favorite reason is just that this is the outcome of birth control. At no other point in history could people decide how many kids they want, and when you give people the choice, they just aren't going to choose very many.

Re: The Future Is Too Expensive – A New Theory on Collapsing Birth Rates

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post #14

French Aristocrats had difficulty affording children as well. My theory is that as a society becomes wealthier, the acceptable minimum standard for child rearing grows at an even faster rate, until it becomes unattainable for a growing number of people. Raising kids is cheap. People who live in mud huts who have never heard of money can afford to raise kids. Avoiding negative social stigma is what people can't afford…

Indeed. Likewise, there has never been a time where wide swaths of potential parents feel like they can "afford" having children. Before birth control, it was less of a choice.

This narrative that "people aren't having children because the future is bleak and they're expensive," is wildly overblown. Yes, it's what people say when you ask them. That's not the same as it being the actual reason.

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