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Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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It takes hundreds of millions to build a warehouse. Amazon has tons of them. Retrofitting things is capital intensive.

Humans are cheaper than robots too...

How much cheaper? You can hardly get humans to work two shifts a day, let alone three.

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Why do we think this is a good thing without socialism? I am not a fan of socialism, but with the level of automation we are reaching, do we really want to be ruled by our incel tech-bro overlords, living out of UBI, in a permanently bi-strated society without even the illusion of social mobility and democracy we have nowadays?

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Actually it's pretty expensive in the long run. They want raises, are finicky about their health, have pesky habits like going home, having life partners and something silly called work/life balance. Also, they sometimes organize and become collective bodies under something called a union. In reality, I'm a strong supporter of everything above. Maybe we can really provide people better jobs by delegating repetitive a…

>are finicky about their health Machines are anything but reliable. They need constant servicing and maintenance and still break entirely

Depends on how they're built, and building them takes experience. Plus, if their MTBF is long enough with enough hot spares, you can rotate the problematic ones out fix them while they are being replaced from the hot-spares pool.

When you are not budget constrained, and building things for businesses, a little overengineering goes a long way.

I have a Xerox 7500DN color laser printer next to me, and it's working for more than 20 years at this point. It has gone through a lot of spares, but most (if not all) issues are from parts wearing down naturally. Nothing breaks unexpectedly on that. Same for robots. Give enough design budget, overengineer a little, and that thing will be one hell of an ugly but reliable machinery.

When you work with real "industrial" stuff, the landscape is very different.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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It's interesting how Amazon is embedding robots in human-designed warehouses whereas Ocado has humans overseeing a robotic warehouse. The later is a much easier problem.

The Ocado warehouse automation is pretty crazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE

Ocado did run into multiple fire issues due to these robots colliding with each other. In 2019 and 2021 [1]

Wonder if the matter has been resolved.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57883332

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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That is why, in the end, only robots will remain. They are inexhaustible and strictly meticulous in all circumstances.

Robots aren't inexhaustible. They break down a lot and are far more expensive to repair and maintain than a human being.

I agree robots breakdown a lot, however if you think robots are more expensive to maintain you may want to take a look at the cost of American medical costs.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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What skilled worker? This is a low skill worker they are replacing.

Have you read the article? "The fastest humans at this task are like Olympic athletes. They’re far faster than the robots, and they’re able to store items in pods at much higher densities."

Compare to a doctor who needs nearly a decade of special training. Or an engineer who needs a complex university training program.

Yes some are better than others. However there is still a vast gulf in skill between those people than engineers (much less doctors), while the gap between them and someone off the street is much less. (the article doesn't say how long it takes someone to get to that high skilled state or even if it is possible to train to that level - if someone can show me data on this I might change my mind on skill)

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Optimizing space and trying to keep things neat is a futile effort. Pickers and counters are constantly pulling things out of the bins and putting them back in, and during high demand it's a chaotic mess. If there are going to be robots being this meticulous at every step of the process, then it's too slow. There's a reason human beings are worked to the point of exhaustion in these warehouses - the goal is to move a…

That is why, in the end, only robots will remain. They are inexhaustible and strictly meticulous in all circumstances.

Real life interaction is anything but strictly meticulous. Inside an application (in silicon without bugs, not being hit by stray cosmic rays, not having software logic bug) things may seem ideal, but the moment you try to move a pole on a motor 5 cm forward, and 5cm backward, every day at the same time, you'll notice that ideal will have dismantled itself off the mount within two weeks

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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That is why, in the end, only robots will remain. They are inexhaustible and strictly meticulous in all circumstances.

Robots aren't inexhaustible. They break down a lot and are far more expensive to repair and maintain than a human being.

Mechanical engineering has a lot of practice on looking at failures and changing designs to make those less common or a maintenance item easy/cheap to fix. (they might have other options too, I'm not a ME)

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Human labor is shockingly cheap.

Amazon warehouse base pay is ~$21-22/hr due to labor supply shortages. https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+raise+wages+warehouse

That's about 60k a year for the employer, I think? That probably doesn't even cover the BOM cost of this robot installation.
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