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Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Are these open source and locally hosted? Or you must share your data with a big corporation to use them?

Is sharing your data with a startup or small company any better than sharing it with a big corporation?

It's open source and locally hosted, you don't have to share your data with anyone.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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I deal with GDPR daily and the truth is that GDPR enforcement doesn't understand what is acceptable from a GDPR standpoint and that is likely why they are in the process of revamping it. You can also anonymize data and that is no longer considered personal data under GDPR so it is possible to hash an IP address and that be acceptable.

> You can also anonymize data and that is no longer considered personal data under GDPR so it is possible to hash an IP address and that be acceptable. That's not completely true. Recital 26 of GDPR stipulates that > “information which does not relate to an identified or identifiable natural person or to personal data rendered anonymous in such a manner that the data subject is not or no longer identifiable.” Hashing…

Plausible uses the same algorithm and they have a page written by a lawyer claiming this is GDPR compliant: https://plausible.io/blog/legal-assessment-gdpr-eprivacy

Edit: Found more discussion here: https://github.com/plausible/analytics/discussions/1963#disc...

> To summarize, I believe the EDPB has made their position very clear on this in their 2023 guidelines: Plausible's fingerprinting is subject to Article 5(3) of the ePD. Plausible has made their position very clear in their blog post, leaning in the other direction. Until this is tried out in court, I don't believe that there will be any definitive answer.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Are these open source and locally hosted? Or you must share your data with a big corporation to use them?

> Or you must share your data with a big corporation to use them?

I'm choking on the irony

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Once upon a time we did analytics and error analysis by running shell scripts executing awk, sed and grep over a apache or nginx access log or error log. What I am trying to say is that you can still do analytics, even pretty advanced stuff with some more elaborate scripting, if you want. The only thing you need is the access log. Something which has been largely forgotten ever since tools like Urchin became a thing…

Except if any of your pages are cached between eyeball and your server and so your server logs don't capture everything that is going on. You can get fancy with web server logs, but depending on what you're trying to understand it may not be the data you need.

This is how you end up with no-cache assets on pages so they can keep track of actual traffic.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Grafana isn't a Google Analytics alternative. You can build a lot of what you need with it (I've done that), but you still need to manage the actual Analytics part separately, Grafana only gives you the visualization. It's okay, but I probably wouldn't choose it again. The ease of setting up Dashboards and Panels is great at first, but you pay for it with a low ceiling of what you can do (without building around it)…

> actual Analytics

I've never used google analytics before. What's the marginal value over statsd?

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Once upon a time we did analytics and error analysis by running shell scripts executing awk, sed and grep over a apache or nginx access log or error log. What I am trying to say is that you can still do analytics, even pretty advanced stuff with some more elaborate scripting, if you want. The only thing you need is the access log. Something which has been largely forgotten ever since tools like Urchin became a thing…

Except if any of your pages are cached between eyeball and your server and so your server logs don't capture everything that is going on. You can get fancy with web server logs, but depending on what you're trying to understand it may not be the data you need.

If you control the cache layer, log it there. If you don't control the cache layer, does a read from the end user cache really count as a separate visit anyway?

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Except if any of your pages are cached between eyeball and your server and so your server logs don't capture everything that is going on. You can get fancy with web server logs, but depending on what you're trying to understand it may not be the data you need.

If you control the cache layer, log it there. If you don't control the cache layer, does a read from the end user cache really count as a separate visit anyway?

There are plenty of situations where someone visiting a page once and someone repeatedly looking at that page over a period of days (even if it is pulled from their browser cache) is an important difference. Obviously it depends on what you're using the data to try to understand.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Yes it does. If a user can say "here's my IP address, what data do you have on me?" and you can answer that question, then that's personal data under GDPR. It's pseudynomized, but not anonymized, and pseudynomous data is personal data.

Even if you can't answer that question, if it can be answered, that's still personal data.

What's the minimum size of an operation before the GDPR kicks in? In other words, are all sites governed by GDPR, or are some companies considered too small to be under the GDPR regulations? I know that there are some regulations that get a pass for smaller outfits. I know nothing about GDPR as a European audience is not my target and not kowtowing for them.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

As a founder in this space, it not as bad as you think. There are niches in this crowded yet broad space. Plausible - good for self-hosting, but their SaaS is very expensive and FOSS vs SaaS offering differ. Ahrefs - they will use your traffic to improve your competitor research, you really should use them cautiously. Matomo - feature rich but can be overwhelming. Posthog - its SaaS is US based so dismissed early by…

There's a bunch more listed here as well https://github.com/oxnr/awesome-analytics
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