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Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by observationist »

amusingimpala75 wrote: post #46

Meta needs to stop open-washing their product. It simply is not open-source. The license for their precompiled binary blob (ie model) should not be considered open-source, and the source code (ie training process / data) isn’t available.

They've painted themselves into a corner - the second people see the announcement that they've enforced the license on someone, people will switch to actual open source licensed models and Meta's reputation will take a hit.

It's ironic that China is acting as a better good faith participant in open source than Meta. I'm sure their stakeholders don't really care right now, but Meta should switch to Apache or MIT. The longer they wait the more invested people will be and the more intense the outrage when things go wrong.

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by testfrequency »

blitzar wrote: post #48

Its impressive that Llama and the Ai teams in general survived the meta-verse push at Facebook. Congrats to the team for keeping their heads down and saving the company from itself. Its all Ai all the time now though, not seen any mention of our reimagined future of floating heads hanging out together in quite some time.

It’s coming: https://www.uploadvr.com/meta-employees-reportedly-working-w...

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by ronsor »

bbayer wrote: post #50
amusingimpala75 wrote: post #46

Meta needs to stop open-washing their product. It simply is not open-source. The license for their precompiled binary blob (ie model) should not be considered open-source, and the source code (ie training process / data) isn’t available.

This is actually my first impression while I am reading the post. Mentions "open source" everywhere but dude how the earth it is open source without training data.

Almost no company is going to release training data because they don't want to waste time with lawsuits. That's why it doesn't happen. Until governments fix that issue, I don't even think the "it's not really open without training data!!!" argument is worth any time. It's more worth focusing on the various restrictions in the LLaMA license, or even better, questioning whether model weights can be licensed at all.

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by gardenhedge »

ntonozzi wrote: post #41
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #34

Can someone explain to me please why Meta doesn't create subject specific versions of their LLMs such as one that knows only about computer programming, computers, hardware software. I would have imagined such a thing would be smaller and thus run on smaller configurations. But since I am only a layman maybe someone can tell me why this isn't the case?

One of the weirdest and most interesting parts of LLMs is that they grow more effective the more languages and disciplines they are trained in. It turns out training LLMs on code instead of just prose boosted their intelligence and reasoning capabilities by huge amounts.

Source? Sounds interesting

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by n_ary »

pzo wrote: post #42
mgdev wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Visit SE Asia sometime and you'll experience a very different sentiment. Hundreds of millions of people rely on Meta to provide valuable services every day, some of them borderline essential. This is undebatable. The outsized public hatred toward Meta is almost entirely driven by a bureaucratic, anti-technology Europe (that has finally realized that their overstepping is hurting their future) and a US political insti…

What kind of services? IM app? Thailand uses LINE, Vietnam: Zalo, Cambodia and Myanmar Telegram and Viber, in Indonesia many uses few IM at the same time.

It is not the IM apps, SE region which I suspect the author is referencing predominately uses Whatsapp.

The value in SE is mostly B2C, instead of marketplace feature, most local tiny(or even big ones willing to evade tax by not having any physical presence) businesses will open a small business or general page and publish their wares as posts. Lives will be used to demo products or services now and then. People follow these pages and flock over to buy things.

In a sense, Facebook and Whatsapp are like Amazon/Aliexpress of SE Asia. I was there for 5 months visiting a friend(and recovering from burnout), and number of people using such pages to sell anything from basic clothing to food to services are HUGE! It is literally a huge business hub for people to discover and make online purchases. In summary, Facebook pages are the e-commerce front(due to lack of shopify/amazon and similar operators who can handle logistics and payments) for individual businesses.

There were many journalist reports about this phenomenon several years back, but I am too sleepy and tired to link those.

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by piperswe »

observationist wrote: post #51
amusingimpala75 wrote: post #46

Meta needs to stop open-washing their product. It simply is not open-source. The license for their precompiled binary blob (ie model) should not be considered open-source, and the source code (ie training process / data) isn’t available.

They've painted themselves into a corner - the second people see the announcement that they've enforced the license on someone, people will switch to actual open source licensed models and Meta's reputation will take a hit. It's ironic that China is acting as a better good faith participant in open source than Meta. I'm sure their stakeholders don't really care right now, but Meta should switch to Apache or MIT. The…

Applying Apache or MIT to a binary blob doesn't make it open source either

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by michaelt »

amusingimpala75 wrote: post #46

Meta needs to stop open-washing their product. It simply is not open-source. The license for their precompiled binary blob (ie model) should not be considered open-source, and the source code (ie training process / data) isn’t available.

> the source code (ie training process / data) isn’t available

The training data is all scraped from the internet, ebooks from libgen, papers from Sci-Hub, and suchlike.

They don't have the right to redistribute it.

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by divan »

blitzar wrote: post #48

Its impressive that Llama and the Ai teams in general survived the meta-verse push at Facebook. Congrats to the team for keeping their heads down and saving the company from itself. Its all Ai all the time now though, not seen any mention of our reimagined future of floating heads hanging out together in quite some time.

I'm working in Quest 3 almost every day. I use Immersed, as it implements virtual displays for my MacBook better than others, but I'm impressed with the Meta ecosystem. Granted, social interaction is still awkward without proper face expressions, but it feels closer each year to the depicted vision.

I recently travelled and needed to work (coding and video editing in DaVinci) a lot in hotels and random places. I can't bring large screens everywhere (and I hate to work with small fonts and screens), and Quest 3 was a perfect fit here. Sometimes at home or office (I have a private one), I just don't want to sit on my buttoks all the time, so I put on VR goggles and can keep working in any position (lying on a sofa or even sunbathing outdoors).

As soon as new XR/MR glasses become lighter (there are some good ones already - Visor, Beyond BigScreen 2, etc), more and more people will discover how usable and optimized for work this tech is.

Re: Everything we announced at our first LlamaCon

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Post by llmguy »

Keyframe wrote: post #24
throwaw12 wrote: post #4

Feels like Meta is going to Cloud services business but in AI domain. They resisted entering cloud business for so long, with the success of AWS/Azure/GCP I think they are realizing they can't keep at the top only with social networks without owning a platform (hardware, cloud)

If Lidl can venture into cloud business, I guess so can Meta.

Don't forget the earths only bookstore either
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