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Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

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Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

#51

What is it with the American far-right and hiring the most _incompetent possible lawyers_? Like, between this and Giuliani...

Think about the quality of lawyer who would take Lindell as a client.

He’s a bankrupt, likely mentally ill acolyte of a dude who is infamous for stiffing his lawyers. His connection with reality is tenuous at best.

Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

#52

What is it with the American far-right and hiring the most _incompetent possible lawyers_? Like, between this and Giuliani...

Selection bias on your part. There's plenty of incompetence (and outright fraud) on the other side as well. Rememebr Michael Avenatti?

is Stormy Daniels the far left?

Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

#53

Everything about this entire situation is comically dumb, but shows how far the US has degraded, that this is meaningful news. If this were a fiction book, people would dismiss it as being lazy writing - an ultra conservative CEO of a pillow company spreads voting conspiracies leading to a lawsuit in which they hire lawyers that risk losing the case because they relied on AI.

Because this sort of thing is totally geographically bound.

‘Murica is currently the most notable nation run by a cult of personality. Clown car legal maneuvers of politicians and politician-adjacent people isn’t supposed to be like this.

Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

#54

What is it with the American far-right and hiring the most _incompetent possible lawyers_? Like, between this and Giuliani...

Selection bias on your part. There's plenty of incompetence (and outright fraud) on the other side as well. Rememebr Michael Avenatti?

The attorney for porn actress who had an affair with a political candidate who embezzled funds to pay her off does have a certain similarity or common nexus to an attorney for key member of the presidential whack pack.

I don’t think that nexus is political, for either party. It’s all tied to one man.

Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

#55

I dont understand how a lawyer can use AI like this and not just spend the little time required to check that the citations actually exist.

I constantly see people reply to question with "I asked ChatGPT for you and this is what it says" without a hint of the shame they should feel. The willingness to just accept plausible-sounding AI spew uncritically and without further investigation seems to be baked into some people.

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Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

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What I find really strange about this is I use AI a lot as a “smart friend” to work through explanations of things I find difficult etc and I am currently preparing for some exams so I will often give the AI a document and ask for some supporting resources to take the subject further and it almost always produces something that is plausibly close to a real thing but wrong in specifics. As in when you ask for a refere…

People are lazy. I’m enrolled in a language class in a foreign country right now - so presumably people taking that class want to actually get good at the language so they can actually live their life here - yet a significant portion of students just turn in ChatGPT essays. And I don’t mean essays edited with chatGPT, but essays that are clearly verbatim output. When the teacher asks the students to read them out lou…

There are a lot of shit tier lawyers who are just in it for the money and just barely passed their exams. Given his notoriety, Lindell is scraping the bottom of the barrel with people willing to provide legal services.

Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

#57

What is it with the American far-right and hiring the most _incompetent possible lawyers_? Like, between this and Giuliani...

Because competent lawyers tend to adhere to professional standards and codes of ethics, which makes them more selective in the work and clients they take on.

Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Selection bias on your part. There's plenty of incompetence (and outright fraud) on the other side as well. Rememebr Michael Avenatti?

I wonder what the effects of an echo chamber in a forum like this would be.. maybe something similar to what Reddit has become

You couldn't criticize Musk here a few years ago without the fanboys dog-piling. Same for Apple before their more recent stumbles.

Re: Mike Lindell's lawyers used AI to write brief–judge finds nearly 30 mistakes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked ChatGPT to give Wikipedia links in a table. Not one of the 50+ links was valid.

Which version of GPT? I've found that 4o has actually been quite good at this lately, rarely hallucinating links any more. Just two days ago, I gave it a list of a dozen article titles from a newspaper website (The Guardian), asked it to look up their URLs and give me a list, and to summarise each article for me, and it made no mistakes at all. Maybe your task was more complicated to do in some way, maybe you're not…

> asked it to look up their URLs and give me a list

Something missing from this conversation is whether we're talking about the raw model or model+tool calls (search). This sounds like tool calls were enabled.

And I do think this is a sign that the current UX of the chatbots is deeply flawed: even on HN we don't seem to interact with the UI components to toggle these features frequently enough that they're the intuitive answer, instead we still talk about model classes as though that makes the biggest difference in accuracy.

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