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Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by tuveson »

znpy wrote: post #14
yoyohello13 wrote: post #7

Look, if you willingly have any piece of your stack relying on Microsoft you have to be ready for the rug pull. They WILL fuck you, it's guaranteed.

Anything that’s not gpl-licensed is going to pull the rug from under your feet, people should have learned this by now. Also, if you do open source contributions, never ever agree to assign copyright to the project: doing so means the project owners can relicense the code base, even towards proprietary license.

FreeBSD must be pulling a very long con, then.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by kstrauser »

anon7000 wrote: post #40
concerndc1tizen wrote: post #23

Do you guys ever feel tired of 'sounding the alarm'? I feel like I've been doing that for years on a wide range of topics, but every time it's like you're talking to cult members. How do you break through to people? People say things like "you're overthinking it", "that's never going to happen", "I don't care because I like using VSCode and not alternatives". Is it individualism? That they only consider their own nar…

It's tradeoffs all the way down. VSCode remains one of the best intro editors, because it's free, has next to zero learning curve, and a robust extension ecosystem. I mean, what even is the argument here? That it's not completely open in every possible way? Do we feel so strongly about the heaps of paid IDEs that are completely closed source?

> Do we feel so strongly about the heaps of paid IDEs that are completely closed source?

Me, personally? No, because they're honest about it. I use BBEdit and Nova frequently on my Mac. Those are as closed source as it gets. They never pretend otherwise, though. You pay your money and you know what you're getting. VSCode tries really hard to appear to be open source, as long as you're willing to ignore the million places where they aren't. (Python devs: are you using PyLance? I'm talking to you.)

And ironically, those closed editors seem to play more nicely with the ecosystem as a whole. Neither BBEdit nor Nova have ever tried to talk me into installing closed plugins, and the same plugins that work with them work great in Emacs and Zed.

If I go to one bar that charged $5 per beer, and another that gives free beer but makes you rent single-use mugs for $5, even though the end price is identical, the rental bar's going to annoy me horrendously. Just admit what it is and let people judge on their own merits.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by dharmab »

rs186 wrote: post #9
kstrauser wrote: post #3

And this is why I'm using Zed today. I'm deadly serious. I was a huge proponent of VSCode at first but I've soured on it, and now I don't want my workflow to depend on it in any way. Awesome software, but I don't trust the upstream org further than I must.

So how do you get intellisense and debug C++ in Zed?

There's a great doc on exactly how Zed handles syntax and intellisense-style completions: https://zed.dev/docs/configuring-languages

Debugging isn't in yet, but is actively being worked on and planned for public release before 1.0: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/5065, there's an active channel in their Discord discussing the development of the feature.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by AIPedant »

bangaladore wrote: post #5

To be clear, I'm don't like the Microsoft has a proprietary Marketplace, but a company openly violating the terms of use for their own profit is a bit much in my opinion. > Cursor allegedly has been flouting Microsoft terms-of-service rules for some time now by setting up a reverse proxy to mask its network requests to the endpoints used by the Microsoft Visual Studio Marketplace. This allows Cursor users to install…

The Cursor founders (technically the company is called Anysphere, Inc) are all young MIT grads. What they needed is a 40-year-old with a degree from Fitchburg State who could say "Woah, don't do that! It's not worth the long-term risk!"

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by hansvm »

corytheboyd wrote: post #30
aranchelk wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, that’s a painful situation.

Eh MS wasn’t going to just let VSCode derivatives soak up all the AI gold rush money, these companies knew the risks. I wonder what it’s going to mean for projects like Zig, a migration of VSCode refugees could crank things up to 11 pretty quick.

How do VSCode refugees impact a project like Zig?

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by londons_explore »

AIPedant wrote: post #54
bangaladore wrote: post #5

To be clear, I'm don't like the Microsoft has a proprietary Marketplace, but a company openly violating the terms of use for their own profit is a bit much in my opinion. > Cursor allegedly has been flouting Microsoft terms-of-service rules for some time now by setting up a reverse proxy to mask its network requests to the endpoints used by the Microsoft Visual Studio Marketplace. This allows Cursor users to install…

The Cursor founders (technically the company is called Anysphere, Inc) are all young MIT grads. What they needed is a 40-year-old with a degree from Fitchburg State who could say "Woah, don't do that! It's not worth the long-term risk!"

It is worth the long term risk.

Either you don't get caught and can move faster, or you get caught and the penalty is usually small and a long way down the line, by which time your company will have either folded or grown enough to pay without difficulty.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by londons_explore »

datadrivenangel wrote: post #34
electroly wrote: post #32

I love Cursor deeply but choosing to be a VSCode fork instead of a VSCode extension was a fatal choice. In the long term I think they either have to retool as an extension or they will go out of business. You can only publicly flout Microsoft's licenses for so long while making a competitor to one of their AAA products.

Apparently VSCode doesn't allow extensions to do the same amount of integration as the Cursor people want...

Extensions aren't sandboxed... You can literally do anything.

Maybe against the store rules tho, dunno.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by sterlind »

AIPedant wrote: post #54
bangaladore wrote: post #5

To be clear, I'm don't like the Microsoft has a proprietary Marketplace, but a company openly violating the terms of use for their own profit is a bit much in my opinion. > Cursor allegedly has been flouting Microsoft terms-of-service rules for some time now by setting up a reverse proxy to mask its network requests to the endpoints used by the Microsoft Visual Studio Marketplace. This allows Cursor users to install…

The Cursor founders (technically the company is called Anysphere, Inc) are all young MIT grads. What they needed is a 40-year-old with a degree from Fitchburg State who could say "Woah, don't do that! It's not worth the long-term risk!"

exactly! laws are for old geezers who went to State, not young superstars with fancy degrees. MIT negotiated diplomatic immunity for its graduates, after all. that's why Sam Bankman-Fried got acquitted when FTX went under.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Post by m463 »

bangaladore wrote: post #5

To be clear, I'm don't like the Microsoft has a proprietary Marketplace, but a company openly violating the terms of use for their own profit is a bit much in my opinion. > Cursor allegedly has been flouting Microsoft terms-of-service rules for some time now by setting up a reverse proxy to mask its network requests to the endpoints used by the Microsoft Visual Studio Marketplace. This allows Cursor users to install…

lol, Microsoft has been doing this kind of thing for a while...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation#Antitrust

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