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NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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He was already obeying in advance before DOGE got there, but I guess that wasn't enough. I fear very bad news is coming.

I have to wonder what DOGE (including the alleged wunderkind Farritor that all the SV VCs were hailing) is planning for NSF. It’s amazing the arrogance of these people, to walk in and just do “hulk smash” on decades of hard work, infrastructure and institutional capacity.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#53
post #29
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://specificsuggestions.com/

"Hide perishable foods (fruit) in discreet locations of common areas" That's helpful for the conversation! Should I just keep clicking through this entire site until an answer related to my question appears? (It's a neat site, but... I'm not going to sit here playing go fish until an applicable one-liner appears)

This is what I got: Send people the http:// version of links instead of https://

I actually have no idea how this would disrupt anything.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#54
post #33

Pretty distressing at how there’s basically zero pushback from the American elites at the destruction of all strategic American advantages and only ineffective pushback from the public. There will be entire genres of books written about how America just said “eh” to being gutted by a bunch of rich psychopaths.

With Brexit Brits got exactly what was promised, they just didn't realize what that promise actually meant and very few are happy about it these days. This is next level of "I'll deliver anyway, I know what you wanted" while fucking it up spectacularly. If only all of our pensions wouldn't be now siphoned to those few with advanced government access I would be laughing a bit more.

The market’s down what, 10-20%? The dollar’s down 10%. 20-30% of average 401k’s have already been siphoned, and we haven’t even seen the impact of the tariffs or elimination of social security yet.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#55
post #4

One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

NSF director is a political appointee, as such serves the will of the President. We don't need those people "fighting," we need to elect the people we want to make the right appointments.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#56
post #4

One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

It's possible true but look at the current situation: there are people taking trump as face value.

They believe in him.

They might struggle between 'whats going on here' 'wtf' 'why is no one doing something ' to 'am I wrong? People voted for that clown'.

It's impressive to see how fast society, values and character just degress or becomes mainstream. It has to mean something

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#57
post #4

One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

In addition to what others have said, in theory it's also a way to call public attention to the problem. These are coveted positions that people don't just walk away from lightly, so someone in this position stepping down and explaining why can serve as an alarm bell. That said, I don't know how effective that really is anymore since driving people out is one of the administration's stated goals.

The perception shift is key. Getting fired for cause and trying to claim the moral high ground afterward often reads as sour grapes; Bitterness and/or incompetence being rationalized. Quitting, on the other hand, suggests principle and lends credibility.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#58

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Mental health perhaps? If the administration is making the organisations job impossible it could be an incredibly awful time to stay. I don't believe I owe anyone my sanity.

yea that seems to be a common theme with people. Nothing is bigger than them or more important than their own personal mental health. I can't take it myself so I'm just going to roll over and not stand for any principle or fight for any cause because that's just too much for me to handle. And besides you're just one person so what difference is it going to make anyways. Same thing why people don't vote. It's not like…

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Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#59
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Fighting a meat grinder or a lawnmower is usually a bad strategy especially with an openly corrupt and abusive government with no checks on any of its power. People have families and livelihoods to protect, nobody in these positions signed up for this shit.

Protecting your family is why you should fight.

Say you have a family and that you have this NSF director position. You get some orders that you do not agree with, and at the same time you know that your partner could be disappeared tomorrow to El Salvador, by mistake of course. What is your plan to fight and protect your family?

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

#60
post #4

One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

> I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can.

There have been times in my life when I said the same. Now ask me if those experiences incline me to try saying so ever again.

I understand perfectly the motivation, and the theoretical appeal of the method. It is only that while in theory there's no difference between theory and practice, in practice this method pursued assiduously enough will see you working actively in support of atrocity before you realize that - past a surprisingly early point which large parts of the US government passed several moons ago - the method simply cannot work.

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