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AI Is Facing a Crisis

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Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#51
post #40

Some here seem to think this is satire. Well, Sam Altman want us all to funnel 7 trillions of $ for AI, so, we[0] will have to make some sacrifices to satisfy his grand vision. [0]common folks, because of course you don't want to tax or stop subsidizing the "job creators" (i.e. rich people).

That's like the whole point of satire, that it takes something true and exaggerates it to make a point in a humorous way. See "A Modest Proposal."

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#52
post #37

Go after computer games instead. There are millions of gamers around the world wasting electricity just for fun. You could generate several images and pages of text with the energy it takes to run a modern game for just a few seconds .

Go after Bitcoin. At least AI burns electrons and produces something moderately useful. Bitcoin, nothing but burnt electrons.

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#53
post #37

Go after computer games instead. There are millions of gamers around the world wasting electricity just for fun. You could generate several images and pages of text with the energy it takes to run a modern game for just a few seconds .

Go after Bitcoin. At least AI burns electrons and produces something moderately useful. Bitcoin, nothing but burnt electrons.

That's weird, because I have used Bitcoin many times and I found it to be very useful. So have many others.

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#54

While this is satire, it's important to raise awareness of the resource consumption that "AI" comes with. Also, this shouldn't be flagged -- it's satire, yes, but relevant.

Agreed, but I think some people on HN might actually feel threatned by such awareness. I wish there could've been a more constructive discussion around resource consumption rather than a war on "green propaganda".

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#55
post #24
post #8

> 140Wh are needed to write a 100-word email, equivalent to 7 full charges of an iPhone Pro Max. An iPhone can write a whole email in a few seconds using a local model.

Which, to be honest, is probably worse. When it comes to AI, I'm a lot more worried about "information pollution" than anything else.

Weird to be worried about a metaphor instead of something real?

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#56
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which, to be honest, is probably worse. When it comes to AI, I'm a lot more worried about "information pollution" than anything else.

Weird to be worried about a metaphor instead of something real?

What makes it not real?

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#57
post #8

> 140Wh are needed to write a 100-word email, equivalent to 7 full charges of an iPhone Pro Max. An iPhone can write a whole email in a few seconds using a local model.

Awesome. We don't need server AI of any kind then.

Always good to have user feedback.

You heard him folks, lets turn off the big servers, local low power models are good enough.

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#58
post #25
post #5

> Writing a 100-word email consumes about 500ml of water (17 oz).1 > 2 litres are needed for every 10 to 50 queries you make.2 Isn't this water reused? AFAIK it's just for cooling. This smells like FUD.

It's not like a water-cooled computer that just uses water for heat transport . In a datacenter, I believe it's generally just evaporated off and lost to the atmosphere. This allows you to dump the energy into the vapor's latent heat. So yeah, it's treated fresh water that is then lost. (It's not great, but I think the electricity waste is more compelling.)

Out of curiosity, why fresh water for cooling? Because the cost of making things saltwater-proof wrt corrosion is too great?

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#59
post #58
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like a water-cooled computer that just uses water for heat transport . In a datacenter, I believe it's generally just evaporated off and lost to the atmosphere. This allows you to dump the energy into the vapor's latent heat. So yeah, it's treated fresh water that is then lost. (It's not great, but I think the electricity waste is more compelling.)

Out of curiosity, why fresh water for cooling? Because the cost of making things saltwater-proof wrt corrosion is too great?

The short answer is “yes, saltwater ruins nearly everything thing it touches in fairly short order”. PVC pipe? Okay, that’s probably fine. Pumps, sensors, and a lot of other things aren’t quite so tolerant.

Re: AI Is Facing a Crisis

#60
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird to be worried about a metaphor instead of something real?

What makes it not real?

Imagining that information exists in some pure unvarnished state (like a pristine mountain lake), until it is polluted by some bad actor (big bad logging company).

The metaphor doesn't work at all. It just more "the truth is under attack"

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