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Re: Googler... ex-Googler

#51

It sucks and especially the abruptness, but I find it hard to muster sympathy. Google employees receive some of the highest renumeration in the industry. Combined with the prestige of Google on his resume he'll land back on his feet in no time.

> Combined with the prestige of Google on his resume he'll land back on his feet in no time.

I wouldn't count on that. The job market is really bad.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

#52
I have been in a similar situation, on a Saturday morning right after a farewell for a colleague and planning for next big release and timelines, late Friday.

I got an email from my company early on next Saturday, so I tried to log into my laptop which was now wiped(to my horror).

At that very moment I checked my DMs and realized most of my team was out the door.

No warnings, no justification. I had been promised promotion, I had been promised growth, and I had already seen a round of layoffs with promises to not do more. We were the "valued" members and we were needed.

Well not so much I guess.

Now I don't care, tbh maybe I still do. I want to, just not care though, and I am always prepared, if even a single bad sign comes up I will be out. But I don't know if I will still see it coming.

I just want to tell to anyone else in a similar situation, don't be sad often it might be a good thing.

I managed to land jobs within the same month and my next job paid me over 2x my previous one. And it helped me grow in my career.

I have changed a lot more jobs till date and I love what I do now, but I still often care too much.

I hope people can find hope here.

Also a couple of my friends had similar luck and one of my former colleagues also now has a startup of their own, they built it on top of their open source project that got surprisingly popular.

Best of luck, world can be rough but, I hope folks just don't stop trying to do something to improve it for themselves and rest of us.

And F execs, I guess. :)

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

#53
As an ex-Googler I say: blessing in disguise. When working at a $MEGACORP it's easy to think there's barren wasteland out there beyond the walls, so it's scary. But that is very much not so. I get that opportunities to work on browsers are relatively few and far between, but if you can do something else, try working for a smaller company which treats you more like a human being, and less like a replaceable cog.

Not much of a consolation, I'm sure. I've never been laid off, so I can only hypothesize what that'd feel like, but know this: this too shall pass.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

believing it to be the empty set is on you, man.

I dunno man, I've been making a similar joke for well over a decade, so it seems like a common perspective. That being said I talk about my former big tech all the time too, so maybe I'm part of the problem?

To pick a different topic, I know a couple of vegans. Some of them are militant about it, others simply are not. You'd never know that about them unless it really came up.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

#59
post #5

It can be shock to discover how little the company as an entity, and its upper management in particular, actually values you (or any other employee.) Employees are indeed cogs in a megacorp, and the relationship is transactional. The company demands loyalty because it can and because it is profitable, not because it will be reciprocated.

Even those in “upper management” are cogs.

Everybody responds to incentives. Not everyone is competent. And, the higher you go the less accountability there seems to be.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

#60

The reality of one's lack of value to one's own employer is often baffling. It makes you wonder how anyone manages to stay employed at all, since apparently everyone is replicable and unimportant. I have been through layoffs where other people on my team, doing the same job I did approximately as well, got laid off. No explanation given for why them and not me. And it could happen to me at any time. It doesn't matter…

"I have been through layoffs where other people on my team, doing the same job I did approximately as well, got laid off. No explanation given for why them and not me. And it could happen to me at any time." Usually there is a hidden variable that you don't know. It is your salary. That is why it sometimes looks surprising when senior roles are cut that look extremely valuable to the company from the outset. Maybe th…

> Usually there is a hidden variable that you don't know.

This is frequently the case. I've worked at big employers (comparable in level of corporate-ness to Google if not absolute size) where the layoff process, roughly was:

1. Aggregate layoff target gets set and apportioned amongst functional leaders, then targets cascaded down to the line manager level.

2. Managers fill out a stack ranking spreadsheet for their team across a few metrics including a boolean "diversity" field[0]. There were many rumors about the "diversity field", most notably that anyone so flagged would not be fired, but so far as I could tell these were false (see point #4)

3. People to be fired are developed based on these lists (I.e., if a manager has to fire two people, then the two lowest-ranked employees per the spreadsheet are selected.)

4. HR does a meta-analysis of all to-be-fired employees, ensuring that a disproportionate number of employees from protected classes are not impacted. If too many are, then some of the next-lowest-ranked employees are selected to be fired in their stead.

As far as I could tell, the only part of the process where any sort of individual, human consideration was occurring was maybe at the line manager level if they decided to tweak the stack rankings based on who they felt deserved to be protected. And then, to the extent that happens, you have all the problems with bias and favoritism that come into play.

0 - I realize this is probably controversial, but I saw it with my own eyes.

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