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Re: Our New AI Website Builder

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post #41

WordPress.com launches would be a better title. This builder is not available in WordPress (the open source software) but only WordPress.com (a hosting company owned by the creator of WordPress). For a moment I thought they added AI integration to the open source Gutenberg plugin.

Very true! Oh and I would hope not.

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

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post #47
post #41

WordPress.com launches would be a better title. This builder is not available in WordPress (the open source software) but only WordPress.com (a hosting company owned by the creator of WordPress). For a moment I thought they added AI integration to the open source Gutenberg plugin.

It's funny that the whole lawsuit thing started because Mullenweg was claiming wpengine was confusing customers, when .com and .org is way more confusing.

I keep them straight usually. However, I don't have to. I just use Classic press.

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

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I believe it is actually Pretty Big Deal™. No big deal on splitting the community in half? Matt will not go and you will have half the people supporting him, half forking the project. Actually less than half on each side, when you count in the people that will completely leave the ecosystem...

Splitting the community in half? Nah. If Matt needs to go, the community who is more interested in just making money (we're not "post economic" like Matt) will move aggressively to cut him out like cancer. Sure he controls a scary amount of the ecosystem NOW, but we've seen big vendors express interest in hosting repositories, and major plugin vendors move quickly to secure their distribution and update models. My ti…

Copium. Wordpress is dead. Argue all you want. 5 years from now the trajectory of installs/users/commercial opportunity will show that the last year was more than enough to incentivize/motivate the current and potential users to reach for something else. I say this as someone who makes my primary income managing a very large WP/WC shop.

Sure, WP isn't going away overnight. But it's dead in the water at this point. Literally like a dead whale, still going to support an ecosystem for some period of time. Though, it's peak is behind us and the unwinding was accelerated immeasurably.

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

#54
post #41

WordPress.com launches would be a better title. This builder is not available in WordPress (the open source software) but only WordPress.com (a hosting company owned by the creator of WordPress). For a moment I thought they added AI integration to the open source Gutenberg plugin.

Since wordpress.com is displayed next to the title above, we can fix this by reverting the submission title to that of the article. I've done that now. (Well, I used the minimally baity substring.)

(Submitted title was "WordPress launches new free AI website builder")

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

#56
post #35

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They do though— it's mostly because the pros aren't terribly good either. If your standards are "the top 0.001%" of graphic and web design then yeah, AI designs aren't on the level. But if your standards are simply as good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm then AI is knocking it out of the park.

> good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm Can you give me one example of a decent logo design made by ChatGPT that does exactly that — look good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm ? I have literally tried today, but the results have been... very meh. :)

That's no fun. Instead let's play a game. One of these logos was made by a professional design firm and cost over $1,000,000. The other two I just generated. The gap between well-known national brands with millions of dollars to hire the best and what normal companies actually get is massive.

https://imgur.com/a/5En58cl

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

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Splitting the community in half? Nah. If Matt needs to go, the community who is more interested in just making money (we're not "post economic" like Matt) will move aggressively to cut him out like cancer. Sure he controls a scary amount of the ecosystem NOW, but we've seen big vendors express interest in hosting repositories, and major plugin vendors move quickly to secure their distribution and update models. My ti…

Copium. Wordpress is dead. Argue all you want. 5 years from now the trajectory of installs/users/commercial opportunity will show that the last year was more than enough to incentivize/motivate the current and potential users to reach for something else. I say this as someone who makes my primary income managing a very large WP/WC shop. Sure, WP isn't going away overnight. But it's dead in the water at this point. Li…

I love how you used the phrase "Wordpress is dead," and not the really trendy term everyone has been throwing around since January of last year.

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

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post #56

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> good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm Can you give me one example of a decent logo design made by ChatGPT that does exactly that — look good or better than your typical professional design consulting firm ? I have literally tried today, but the results have been... very meh. :)

That's no fun. Instead let's play a game. One of these logos was made by a professional design firm and cost over $1,000,000. The other two I just generated. The gap between well-known national brands with millions of dollars to hire the best and what normal companies actually get is massive. https://imgur.com/a/5En58cl

They are all pretty terrible, but I guess the rhombus-caret one is real.

The stripes one is rounded (looks shit when small), the complicated one is complicated for no reason.

Good logos work when black-and-white and when very small or very large.

And one more thing: The high cost of a rebrand isn’t paid for the logo or the redesign of stationary. It’s for the pain & process of aligning a committee of aloof decision-makers around a single choice.

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

#59
post #30

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Going from a basic template to all the little changes you need to make to build the basic shell you need for a new site is still a lot of work. Think of all the best practices cruft required for the pages typically linked to from the footer. A sporting good site is different than a directory blog is different than a single serving social media aggregation site. I think it's plausible for AI to help with the tedious s…

An AI website will look about as unique as a Facebook profile in 2004. Even the most non-technical people can tell a designer "make it look like this other website that I like". An AI won't be able to understand that, because it can't surf the web, locate the site and analyze what makes it good in the eyes of the customer.

> An AI won't be able to understand that, because it can't surf the web

We've given the AI the ability to scrape websites, so I'm not sure that holds.

Re: Our New AI Website Builder

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post #33

WordPress.com ≠ WordPress Conflating the two is like mistaking GitHub for Git.

They are much more similar to each other than Git as they share the same plugin ecosystem, core developers and the base layer CMS is identical. I imagine there are many more feature differences between Git and Github.

Feel free to insert an analogy that pleases you. WordPress.com is a hosting company that has its own staff and contributes approx 40 hours per month to the WordPress open source project. WordPress core development is made up of contributors. The AI builder is not available for WordPress, it’s exclusively for the hosting company WordPress.com. WordPress.com on their basic plan restrict any plugin usage. There are no usage restrictions on the open source software. This is just a taste of the distinctions. The title of this post has now been updated, but regardless, WordPress.com is not WordPress.
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