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AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
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Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you been on the internet lately? The manosphere is everywhere; right-wing discourse is the norm. Left-leaning culture in schools? Such as what left-leaning cultures? That you think there is bias in education kind of shows your own biases/POV
I am 'very online'. I have seen a huge rise in right-wing content on social issues, but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. That public education has a left-wing slant in many jurisdictions seems difficult to deny, but I did go to a particulsrly leftwing school district. I do not think you really know anything…
> but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues.
It's always existed; you just haven't been around it. It stretches back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution; read about the Luddites, Blanketeers, and John Henry.
Humans generally don't like having their livelihoods threatened and that's happening more and more as the people who paid others for labor are finding ways to not pay people while simultaneously getting the fruits of labor. It used to just be physical tasks that were simple to automate; now, it's knowledge-based jobs.
Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spot on. There's something instinctual about this. My kids (13,10,8) all love making art. When I show them AI tools that they could use to generate art or riff on existing art, they are actively opposed. They tell me that AI art is not real art, that AI tools for doing this sort of thing are gross, and they want nothing to do with it. As a technologist I think "omg this is so cool" and it has been genuinely surprisin…
its because they are exposed to the internet and left-leaning culture from their schools, i highly doubt that is their first exposure reaction.
I think the most important word in the OP is
> My kids all love _making_ art
There's a real human sense of accomplishment and ownership when you put your own effort into making your own creations real. Typing words into a box to make a picture is a fun novelty, and might be useful to people who have to shovel images out the door, but I've never felt anything like the same satisfaction, and I'd imagine kids feel that innately.
Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
its because they are exposed to the internet and left-leaning culture from their schools, i highly doubt that is their first exposure reaction.
I think the most important word in the OP is > My kids all love _making_ art There's a real human sense of accomplishment and ownership when you put your own effort into making your own creations real. Typing words into a box to make a picture is a fun novelty, and might be useful to people who have to shovel images out the door, but I've never felt anything like the same satisfaction, and I'd imagine kids feel that…
sure, my comment is merely to express doubt that that the specific level of dislike from the kids is organic. most people do not hate like that on first impression, even if the satisfaction is of course not the same.
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That’s why I disagree with the idea that salespeople will be the first to be replaced by AI. If anything, they’ll be the last to be replaced.
I think you just made me realize that I don't like interacting with salespeople because their behavior falls into some kind of uncanny valley.
We're definitely hard wired to recognise the difference between people being friendly to foster a good relationship and people being friendly because they've good ulterior motives
Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you been on the internet lately? The manosphere is everywhere; right-wing discourse is the norm. Left-leaning culture in schools? Such as what left-leaning cultures? That you think there is bias in education kind of shows your own biases/POV
I am 'very online'. I have seen a huge rise in right-wing content on social issues, but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. That public education has a left-wing slant in many jurisdictions seems difficult to deny, but I did go to a particulsrly leftwing school district. I do not think you really know anything…
I'm not sure why you think anti-AI is a leftist thing. If anything, it seems more conservative.
Not conservative as in the 'libertarian', "hand over your agency to the perfect algorithmic machines because they will set you free." But conservative as in traditional.
Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am 'very online'. I have seen a huge rise in right-wing content on social issues, but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. That public education has a left-wing slant in many jurisdictions seems difficult to deny, but I did go to a particulsrly leftwing school district. I do not think you really know anything…
I'm not sure why you think anti-AI is a leftist thing. If anything, it seems more conservative. Not conservative as in the 'libertarian', "hand over your agency to the perfect algorithmic machines because they will set you free." But conservative as in traditional.
I agree with you ideologically, but in terms of an empirical description of how the culture blobs are actually turning out, it unfortunately does not appear to be shaping up that way.
Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am 'very online'. I have seen a huge rise in right-wing content on social issues, but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. That public education has a left-wing slant in many jurisdictions seems difficult to deny, but I did go to a particulsrly leftwing school district. I do not think you really know anything…
> but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. It's always existed; you just haven't been around it. It stretches back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution; read about the Luddites, Blanketeers, and John Henry. Humans generally don't like having their livelihoods threatened and that's happening more and mo…
I'm not afraid of losing my job as an engineer. I can babysit an agent to build software and my expertise will still matter. I'm upset because that's not fun. I chose this career because programming is fun for me. I put up with everything else and I get to code and eat.
Now I'm not sure what I like doing if the bot does my coding. Who am I? My whole identity is built around being an intelligent programmer but if intelligence is commodified and programming is obsolete then I don't know who I am anymore or what to do for fun
:(
Making a living is a concern but.. it almost feels like one of the more shallow ones. I can stack bricks for money but if AI takes the fun out of programming what am I supposed to do for fun
Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. It's always existed; you just haven't been around it. It stretches back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution; read about the Luddites, Blanketeers, and John Henry. Humans generally don't like having their livelihoods threatened and that's happening more and mo…
I'm not afraid of losing my job as an engineer. I can babysit an agent to build software and my expertise will still matter. I'm upset because that's not fun. I chose this career because programming is fun for me. I put up with everything else and I get to code and eat. Now I'm not sure what I like doing if the bot does my coding. Who am I? My whole identity is built around being an intelligent programmer but if inte…
if intelligence is truly commodified, we are effectively post-scarcity or very close to something resembling it.
it seems hard to justify like continued massive material deprivation for tons of people in the world on the basis of ‘who am i’ ego for the top like 0.2% income earners globally.
Re: AI Avatars Escape the Uncanny Valley
#60Doesn't seem to be any discernable improvement on the Zoom Cat Lawyer.
I am not a cat