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Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by UncleOxidant »

Made primarily from sunflower seeds? I just don't think that's going to taste like chocolate.

Process:

Fermentation: The sunflower seeds undergo an innovative fermentation-like process, similar to ancient beer brewing technology, to enhance their flavor.

Roasting: The fermented seeds are then gently roasted. Grinding: The roasted ingredients are ground into a concentrate that resembles cocoa powder.

Mixing and Conching: The concentrate is mixed with additional ingredients, ground further, and conched to achieve a smooth, creamy texture, similar to traditional chocolate

Carob was the old-timey chocolate substitute in the 70s (probably because of inflation back then as well). Carob is kind of chocolate tasting, but it's better to just say it's carob instead of trying to pretend it's chocolate - it definitely didn't have the same smoothness as chocolate.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by bananalychee »

dylan604 wrote: post #16
melling wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try working out the math. I’m a little tired of your argument. You are wrong. We really do need to address the really big things.

Great. You go tell POTUS and US Congress exactly what your solution is, and come back to us when they have implemented your solution. No? Fine, you go out and preach to those that do not believe climate change is an issue, and then come back to us when you've convinced everyone. You coming at everyone like we're all stupid is just not helping anyone. Instead, you're the petulant child that thinks everyone should do e…

Well do you care about results or not? Because if climate change is such an urgent threat to face, it seems like all efforts should be directed towards the lowest-hanging fruit and making the most possible impact with the resources that you have, instead of muddying the waters by convincing people that buying a hyper-processed chocolate substitute will actually change anything meaningfully. OP clearly does not care enough to make it his or her life's quest, but that doesn't make it inconsistent to criticize the effort of those who supposedly do, just like it's not inconsistent to criticize a bad movie without being an accomplished film director. What's inconsistent is selling climate change as an imminent thread that has to be an immediate top priority to address, while promoting purely performative efforts. It seems like what actually motivates activists in this area is the sense of moral superiority more than a sense of duty.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by dylan604 »

gedy wrote: post #39
bryanlarsen wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world invested $2.1 trillion in the clean energy transition in 2024. We are doing the big things. https://about.bnef.com/blog/global-investment-in-the-energy-...

Cool but I'd wish we measure the output vs how much we spend, as it's frequently dumped into a black hole with little to show for it.

No worries. DOGE came to the same conclusion and stopped the dumping into the black hole. We're all saved now. They've also actively eliminated climate change. Not from existing, but from the official records, and that's as good as actually eliminating it, right? After all, if you stop testing, the numbers go down.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by JackYoustra »

On another note, I wonder when the next "less than 4kb bundle size" framework we're going to see. Somehow, that always ends up mattering!

Idk, I feel like it'd be good if people could engage with "looks tasty relative to savings (carbon or monetary)" or something equivalent.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by dylan604 »

bananalychee wrote: post #52
dylan604 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. You go tell POTUS and US Congress exactly what your solution is, and come back to us when they have implemented your solution. No? Fine, you go out and preach to those that do not believe climate change is an issue, and then come back to us when you've convinced everyone. You coming at everyone like we're all stupid is just not helping anyone. Instead, you're the petulant child that thinks everyone should do e…

Well do you care about results or not? Because if climate change is such an urgent threat to face, it seems like all efforts should be directed towards the lowest-hanging fruit and making the most possible impact with the resources that you have, instead of muddying the waters by convincing people that buying a hyper-processed chocolate substitute will actually change anything meaningfully. OP clearly does not care e…

You can criticize the lack of effort and point that criticism directly at those in charge. Taking cheap shots at people making personal choices to at least not contribute to the problems directly is just not ever going to do anything positive. Again, these individuals are not the ones in control of government policy. They are just trying to do what they feel is a better way than actively participating in the worsening.

Shout at the US government all you want. At least you'll be putting the blame of inaction where it belongs. You're efforts will have the same effect that you say the individuals are having. None.

You want to make changes? Run for office. Get elected. Enact change. Oh, right, your comfy salary and cushy job are too nice to actually take on any sacrifice to do that. So getting a government job making changes from the inside are also not going to happen for same comfy/cushy reasons. Also, now, those jobs don't exist. So go out and campaign for those that are working to get into office. Work to campaign against those that are in office but not doing anything.

There's much more helpful ways of trying to get large scale changes made than trying to belittle other individuals.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by JackYoustra »

comrade1234 wrote: post #11

If I’m going to eat a fast-food burger other than in-n-out I may as well eat a beyond burger or something else non-meat because McD’s and BK’s meat are nothing like real meat. If I’m going to eat a Kit Kat or some other gas station candy bar I may as well eat artificial chocolate because it pretty much already is fake chocolate. However I can’t eat a Beyond BK (do they make those anymore? Or the White Castle beyond b…

The impossible whopper is a thing. It's my go-to when I go there!

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by gedy »

dylan604 wrote: post #53
gedy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool but I'd wish we measure the output vs how much we spend, as it's frequently dumped into a black hole with little to show for it.

No worries. DOGE came to the same conclusion and stopped the dumping into the black hole. We're all saved now. They've also actively eliminated climate change. Not from existing, but from the official records, and that's as good as actually eliminating it, right? After all, if you stop testing, the numbers go down.

That's not the point at all. But it is a bit like saying California high speed rail must be a glowing success because look at how much they've spent, etc.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

colechristensen wrote: post #48
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #25

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I realize I may not be the average consumer, but I love Impossible Burgers. I generally try to limit my intake of mammalian meat for animal welfare reasons, but I've found no other alternative satiates that "red meat craving" like an Impossible burger can for me. I love chocolate, and while I'm skeptical this will taste like my favorite dark chocolate, I'm open-minded that it could be a viable substitute on some occa…

Impossible burgers smell strongly of soybean meal to me. As in I'm mildly repulsed if the person sitting across from me is eating one.

Are you sure that was an Impossible burger and not a Beyond burger? I've tried both and the aroma of Beyond burgers (which I think taste fine but the aroma of uncooked patties reminds me of cat food) was much more noticeable to me.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by dukeofdoom »

This is going to be directed at poor people, who can't afford real chocolate. It might taste better than the puke taste of hershey. But replacing Cocoa butter is just the same trend as using food emulsifiers and thickeners, and stabilizers as is done with other foods. Taking out fat and replacing it with substitutes, hasn't really corresponded to people losing weight. It probably won't be good for you.

Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions

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Post by mzs »

dfabulich wrote: post #7

I see why they're leaning into the environmental angle, but I think they're better off marketing their product as upscale, better than regular chocolate. They should be selling upscale, luxury-priced high-end "chocolate" bars, doing taste tests against fancy brands.

I've had one of these products and the outer fake chocolate was much worse than chocolate. I don't think the luxury marketing would work.
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