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Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by aksss »

Aeolun wrote: post #41
aozgaa wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is addressed in the article: > Turns out, it doesn’t matter that much where your first offer is from, or even how much they’re offering you. Just having an offer in hand will get the engine running. > If you’re already in the pipeline with other companies (which you should be if you’re doing it right), you should proactively reach out and let them know that you’ve just received an offer. Try to build a sense of…

Me too. It was utterly bizarre. Spent 6 month looking for a job, with I don’t know how many failed interviews, then I got one offer for a 6 month contract, and suddenly the next two companies I interviewed with were falling over themselves to give me a permanent one. I just do not see how that works. There’s no logical reason for it.

Perhaps having the 6mo contract in hand increased your confidence and changed the way you were carrying yourself and interviewing (subtly to you, but meaningfully).

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by brk »

Aeolun wrote: post #41
aozgaa wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is addressed in the article: > Turns out, it doesn’t matter that much where your first offer is from, or even how much they’re offering you. Just having an offer in hand will get the engine running. > If you’re already in the pipeline with other companies (which you should be if you’re doing it right), you should proactively reach out and let them know that you’ve just received an offer. Try to build a sense of…

Me too. It was utterly bizarre. Spent 6 month looking for a job, with I don’t know how many failed interviews, then I got one offer for a 6 month contract, and suddenly the next two companies I interviewed with were falling over themselves to give me a permanent one. I just do not see how that works. There’s no logical reason for it.

This is the same logic as dealing with VC investors. Nobody feels confident saying yes so they drag the process out. Then someone else does say Yes and they assume this other unknown party has figured out something they haven’t. Now they have a sense of urgency over losing out on something. Even if they don’t know what quality the entity offering the first Yes even saw.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

mizzao wrote: post #37
1a527dd5 wrote: post #10

The best advice I found was in 'Never Split the Difference'. The rest is me being honest and direct.

Yep, I've read a lot of negotiation books and that's the one that explains all the other ones. Everything else (including this article) is a specific case of the models described in that book.

I bounced on that book pretty quickly, so maybe I need to give it another attempt. It started off so generic and, "Here are my expert qualifications and anecdotes".

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by ryandrake »

dangus wrote: post #45

> If you must divulge what you’re making Never do that. > Companies will ask about your current compensation at different stages in the process This is not legal in many states, 44% of the US population lives in states where companies asking your salary is not legl. Also, the exploding offer advice is terrible. It won't work. The company will just drop the offer. The actual advice is to decide quickly. I also think t…

I've had a company actually halt the recruiting process because I wouldn't share my current salary. They asked (as they all do), and I did a standard polite "I'd rather not share my current compensation, please make an offer you feel is a good starting point." They then said, well we'd rather not make an offer without knowing this baseline. And that was that. Sure, I guess I could have just made up a fake (high) number, but I wasn't too thrilled about what I saw about the company during the interviews, so it didn't bother me at all. If a company is being shitty during the interview process, they're probably going to be shitty to work for.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by waltbosz »

I read some advice that suggested asking the salary band during salary negotiations and that many HR departments won't hesitate to share.

I tried this while interviewing for my current job and sure enough they shared. Lesson learned: you can ask and the worst they will probably do is say no, but it's very valuable knowledge if they share.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by TheRealPomax »

taklimakan wrote: post #12

This is all very interesting, but is complete fiction for most readers. 99% of job seekers aren’t going to receive competing offers from multiple companies conveniently at the same time.

You think they're going to check? Just call up the competition, ask them to divulge information about current hiring, which legally can't be divulged?

You're negotiating based on potential.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

dangus wrote: post #45

> If you must divulge what you’re making Never do that. > Companies will ask about your current compensation at different stages in the process This is not legal in many states, 44% of the US population lives in states where companies asking your salary is not legl. Also, the exploding offer advice is terrible. It won't work. The company will just drop the offer. The actual advice is to decide quickly. I also think t…

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Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by ryandrake »

reset0684 wrote: post #42
neilv wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, that was a confusing choice of term by me, when the article already used the term "rule". I mean the courtship dynamics. When it's a buyer's market -- or the buyers think it is -- some of the candidate tactics are going to play differently. Even the old advice that, once the company decides they want you, that changes the dynamics, and now opens up negotiation. The dynamics maybe don't change as much as they u…

Midwest, not Silicon Valley, but that's my current experience. I've already got a job and just got an offer which would be a small pay cut. So, I told them I'm excited about the work, etc but I just can't take a pay cut. They remained firm that they couldn't budge on salary even a little. Then remained firm as I asked for a signing bonus (denied) and reduced hours (denied). This company doesn't do stock at all and th…

Yea, this has been pretty much my experience through years of job searching. Very rare to find a company willing to negotiate.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by garciasn »

taklimakan wrote: post #12

This is all very interesting, but is complete fiction for most readers. 99% of job seekers aren’t going to receive competing offers from multiple companies conveniently at the same time.

Every single time I’ve been job searching (10x) I’ve always had 2-3 offers on the line simultaneously; I honestly assumed this was the norm.
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