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Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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Post by xrd »

gcanyon wrote: post #34

It's interesting to hear people side with the artists when in previous discussions on this forum I've gotten significant approval/agreement arguing that copyright is far too long. As I've argued in the past, I think copyright should last maybe five years: in this modern era, monetizing your work doesn't (usually) have to take more than a short time. I'd happily concede to some sort of renewal process to extend that p…

The Ghibli fight is the same fight that is being fought in the NASDAQ. That is to say, there was an established set of rules that everyone thought were fixed and now they are being radically disrupted. Both the creative industry and the general business industry are trying to figure out what is life going to be like with a totally different and fluid set of regulations, whether it be copyright law or tariffs.

No wonder sama and Trump are so cozy. They both see the same legacy.

Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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M4v3R wrote: post #26
card_zero wrote: post #7

Looking at the example where the coffee table is swapped, I notice every time the image is reprocessed it mutates, based on the previous iteration, and objects become more bizarre each time, like chinese whispers. * The weird-ass basket decoration on the table originally has some big chain links (maybe anchor chain, to keep the theme with the beach painting). By the third version, they're leathery and are merging wit…

Yeah, this is in my opinion the biggest limitation of the current gen GPT 4o image generation: it is incapable of editing only parts of an image. I assume what it does every time is tokenizing the source image, then transforming it according to the prompt and then giving you the final result. For some use cases that’s fine but if you really just want a small edit while keeping the rest of the image intact you’re out…

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Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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Post by Avshalom »

gcanyon wrote: post #34

It's interesting to hear people side with the artists when in previous discussions on this forum I've gotten significant approval/agreement arguing that copyright is far too long. As I've argued in the past, I think copyright should last maybe five years: in this modern era, monetizing your work doesn't (usually) have to take more than a short time. I'd happily concede to some sort of renewal process to extend that p…

>It's interesting to hear people side with the artists when in previous discussions on this forum I've gotten significant approval arguing that copyright is far too long.

Well broadly that's because most arguments about copyright(length/scope) are made against corporations attacking individual artists and arguments about copyright(AI/scope) are made against corporations attacking individual artists.

Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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Post by zwnow »

RhysU wrote: post #47
zwnow wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all for paying artists for their work. Unfortunately, same as tattoo artists, some just heavily overcharge for mediocre results (been tattooing myself AND I know a few things about art). Like, sorry, but if you want to earn money doing art, please be good at it...

> Like, sorry, but if you want to earn money doing art, please be good at it... By definition, almost half of all $ARTISTS are worse than the median. Should that half not get paid for their time?

Yes. They should look for a job that actually covers their lifestyle instead of crying about AI taking their jobs.

They can always put in more hours and become better. I cant imagine they have a lot of paying customers anyway.

Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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Post by gcanyon »

cannonpr wrote: post #44
gcanyon wrote: post #34

It's interesting to hear people side with the artists when in previous discussions on this forum I've gotten significant approval/agreement arguing that copyright is far too long. As I've argued in the past, I think copyright should last maybe five years: in this modern era, monetizing your work doesn't (usually) have to take more than a short time. I'd happily concede to some sort of renewal process to extend that p…

Being someone who has paid a lot of attention to Ghibli, I wouldn’t say their style was well established 35-40 years ago… There is considerable evolution and refinement to their style from Naushika, to later works, both in the artistic style and the philosophical content it presents. I think allowing it to be fair game would have destroyed something quite beautiful that I’ve watched evolve across 40 years and which I…

Yeah, of course their style isn't static, but I was taking Kiki's Delivery Service (1989) as a point where much of their visual style was pretty well-established.

Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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Post by danielbln »

M4v3R wrote: post #26
card_zero wrote: post #7

Looking at the example where the coffee table is swapped, I notice every time the image is reprocessed it mutates, based on the previous iteration, and objects become more bizarre each time, like chinese whispers. * The weird-ass basket decoration on the table originally has some big chain links (maybe anchor chain, to keep the theme with the beach painting). By the third version, they're leathery and are merging wit…

Yeah, this is in my opinion the biggest limitation of the current gen GPT 4o image generation: it is incapable of editing only parts of an image. I assume what it does every time is tokenizing the source image, then transforming it according to the prompt and then giving you the final result. For some use cases that’s fine but if you really just want a small edit while keeping the rest of the image intact you’re out…

It just means that you comp it together manually. That's still much better than having to set up some inpainting pipeline or whatever.

Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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Post by GaggiX »

DeathArrow wrote: post #52
rkharsan64 wrote: post #20

Are there any local models that use this new approach to generating images?

Yes, there's HiDream which yields even better results than 01. https://github.com/HiDream-ai/HiDream-I1

This is just a diffusion text-to-image model like many others, completely different than a LLM with a native image support.

Re: No elephants: Breakthroughs in image generation

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Post by WindyMiller »

zwnow wrote: post #55
RhysU wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like, sorry, but if you want to earn money doing art, please be good at it... By definition, almost half of all $ARTISTS are worse than the median. Should that half not get paid for their time?

Yes. They should look for a job that actually covers their lifestyle instead of crying about AI taking their jobs. They can always put in more hours and become better. I cant imagine they have a lot of paying customers anyway.

What about the half of the remaining artists that are below the new median?
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