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Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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He has twich.tv

#28 by DAU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_... Barely even makes the list. TikTok at #4 would be much more influential.

Could you imagine if Bezos makes the same algo changes Musk did to Twitt...er,X so that you always see a Bezo video?

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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im frankly a little dumbfounded at the state of the tiktok "ban" in the USA. Bytedance has been absolutely adamant that it cannot, and will not sell. This has not stopped droves of American politicians from stepping forward and insisting they can facilitate the sale, find buyers, begin negotiations, draft contracts, review and finalize deals, you name it... Nothing has changed. Bytedance will. not. sell. if history i…

PRC / Byte dance won't sell TikTok global. PRC won't export TikTok algos. There's probably some JV / oracle / project texas arrangment PRC alright with. But yeah, 100% US ownership not happening, especially as "concession" in exchange for tarrifs / export control list relief etc, which basically would reward US leverage / behaviour.

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

#53
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But a huge amount of propagation of Twitch content onto YouTube, TikTok and X. Influentially outsized.

This kind of thing also has me surprised to see TikTok only at #4. A lot of content on Meta properties are now reposts from TikTok. It feels like the latter is driving conversation.

But then add to that repost content the amount of Meta properties only posts that do not make TikTok. Essentially, TikTok + Meta > TikTok only

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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It's crazy to me that TikTok is still operating. A law was passed, the supreme court even weighed in, and a EO cannot undo that. The president has an obligation to faithfully execute the law.

> The president has an obligation to faithfully execute the law.

To whom? It doesn't bother him personally. It thrills his supporters. Those who wish for such an obligation show no willingness to tar and feather him for non-compliance, preventing their wishes from becoming reality. What's left?

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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> It's crazy to me that TikTok is still operating Not at all, I don't think our elderly political leadership really had a grasp on how massive Tiktok is with GenZ and younger Americans. It would be, to the elderly, like the government unilaterally banning AM radio. There are certainly issues with Tiktok, but it was complete out-of-touch hubris to decide to censor the dominant media platform in the US for people under…

But that is precisely what someone who cares not for the under-40 crowd and DOES care about power would do?

I think you meant "DOES not know how to competently keep a grip on power would do"

(or maybe this is what you mean?)

Democrats were successfully tarred as being behind the Tiktok ban. Even though it was a pretty bipartisan ban, Trump came out loudly as opposing it and said "vote for me, I'll save Tiktok" and then he narrowly scraped by on election day. His razor thin victory is arguably because of that play.

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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Amazon has become an unreliable company. Opaque return practices, overbilling and break of contract have become common. "TikTok Shop is an integrated e-commerce platform within the TikTok app that allows users to shop directly from videos, live streams, and profiles." Amazon just tries to destroy a competitor. We can only hope that authorities won't allow an acquisition by Amazon (EU maybe?). I personally still use A…

> Amazon has become an unreliable company. Opaque return practices, overbilling and break of contract have become common.

It has? I have never had that experience. And I would say, that comes from quite strong customer protection laws in Germany. So I would say your legal system has enabled it to become that way. Because Amazon - in Germany and other markets with strong regulations - clearly is capable of performing very admirably. Even better than quite many competitors.

> Amazon has become an unreliable company. "The US has become an unreliable environment" might fit better.

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

#57
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Never thought I will see this country cheering expropriation in my lifetime.

Not to get too political, but the US is built on expropriation. From Indigenous peoples, the British, Mexicans, and a variety of other folks. It's baked into laws and policies like eminent domain and civil asset forfeiture. The biggest issue is who is being targetted and why. Heck, even taxation is a form of expropriation. This is also not unique to the US - the political aspect is how and why expropriation happens.

Built on, but not normally cheered on. The general sentiment in modern times has been that we don't like seeing those things happen.

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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post #41

This is all pointless since TikTok's parent has said it won't sell and is very likely being menaced by the PRC in this respect.

Nah, ByteDance will sell if the US lets Nvidia sell them some B200s

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Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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Amazon has become an unreliable company. Opaque return practices, overbilling and break of contract have become common. "TikTok Shop is an integrated e-commerce platform within the TikTok app that allows users to shop directly from videos, live streams, and profiles." Amazon just tries to destroy a competitor. We can only hope that authorities won't allow an acquisition by Amazon (EU maybe?). I personally still use A…

> Amazon has become an unreliable company. Opaque return practices, overbilling and break of contract have become common. It has? I have never had that experience. And I would say, that comes from quite strong customer protection laws in Germany. So I would say your legal system has enabled it to become that way. Because Amazon - in Germany and other markets with strong regulations - clearly is capable of performing…

I'm in the US and have never had a bad experience with Amazon. I signed up for Prime in like 2010 and even got their prime store credit card to get 5% cash back. No issues with returns, same-day shipping, prime video, etc. I don't know much about Bezos' business practices/morals, but gosh dang Amazon is a good bang for the buck.

Re: Amazon Submits Bid for TikTok with US Sale Deadline Nearing

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Twitch is bleeding users to YouTube--watch time is consistently decreasing YoY. IMO, they're stuck between YouTube and Discord and can't figure out a compelling offering over the two.

Why is that? Is it because the streaming creators are so chaotic? Or convergence on a centralized platform people already use (youtube)?

Former Twitch employee of 4 years here. Its a combinations of 2 things.

1: The Malaise of Big Tech caught up to them years ago, and Twitch simply can't build anymore. They are way too slow, bloated, and they have a list of dozens and dozens of failed/shutdown products/feature that failed to create growth.

They laid off over half the company in the last 3 years.

2: More nimble competitors like Kick.com have finally started seeing success. This is compounded by the fact that kick has an unlimited wallet, because it is funded by the massively successful crypto gambling company Stake.

This war-chest has allowed them to buy streamers by simply paying everyone on the platform an hourly rate to stream, based on viewership. And they can do so, profitably, because the streaming platform is simply a loss leader for the gambling platform.

Short story is, Twitch is screwed. They can't wait out the competitors like they did with previous platforms like mixer, because the new competitor isn't losing money. Gambling is massively profitable.

And they are too slow and have laid off too many people, to be able to innovate their way out of its current mess.

The only two paths they have left are a slow, but steady decline, or a hail mary play of firing their entire executive team and replacing it with people who will run Twitch like a wartime startup.

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