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Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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You know, though, his conduct nowadays isn't really that bad; I don't think I'd be bothered by it in a workplace environment. He makes strong assertions, but not mean-spirited, and I think Linus has a lot of reasons to feel highly confident when he makes strong assertions when it comes to Linux. Of course, there are some moments, but almost everybody has their moments. When push comes to shove, Linus seems to handle…

> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351 This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

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Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351 This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

I agree with my sibling commentors, but I want to point out for people who do not go read the comment: this is not the off the walls Linus rant of the past. This is a very even-handed response where Linus tells people to calm down, that the purpose of linux-next is to discover problems, and that Rust is not causing all of the problems. At the very end there is a sentence or two that might be offensive, especially if…

I don’t think saying “he used to be worse” is a good defence. Has he gotten better? Yes. Is his email gone professional? No.

I think you’re wrong about the end, it’s an unnecessary personal attack that’s only purpose is to insult and/or to make Linus feel better. If you remove the last two or three paragraphs it’s a perfectly fine constructive response. With them, it’s a shitty, unnecessary escalation.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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I agree with my sibling commentors, but I want to point out for people who do not go read the comment: this is not the off the walls Linus rant of the past. This is a very even-handed response where Linus tells people to calm down, that the purpose of linux-next is to discover problems, and that Rust is not causing all of the problems. At the very end there is a sentence or two that might be offensive, especially if…

I don’t think saying “he used to be worse” is a good defence. Has he gotten better? Yes. Is his email gone professional? No. I think you’re wrong about the end, it’s an unnecessary personal attack that’s only purpose is to insult and/or to make Linus feel better. If you remove the last two or three paragraphs it’s a perfectly fine constructive response. With them, it’s a shitty, unnecessary escalation.

Yes, it is unnecessary, but then again, a lot of things I say are unnecessary, too, so I ought to look in the mirror.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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>This driver is designed to emulate Windows NT synchronization primitives To me, anything that emulates windows primitives is a bad thing. Again these changes being pushed by Microsoft make me glad the BSDs exist. Lets hope the BSDs can continue staying independent of Large Corporations.

You think Microsoft wants Windows games to perform better on Linux?

Honestly I don't see any evidence that Microsoft wants anything. Every little fiefdom within Microsoft wants their own thing and no one cares about what is good for the company as a whole. There is at least one team that just wants to sell as many games as possible, and are no doubt looking at SteamOS as potential platform to target.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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I read it and it seemed alright to me. A bit firm yes, but damn are there times when I wish people would have communicate with me with this level of honesty about how they're feeling regarding something. In some places, people have communicated with me with that level of honesty. It does require you to make sure you're not taking things personally when they're not meant to be, but it's a lot better than people tradin…

Right at the end > So next time you want to write an email to complain about rust support: take a look in the mirror. > Is the problem actually the rust code causing you issue, or is the problem between the keyboard and the chair, and you just want to vent?

How would you rewrite that to communicate that idea?

Or would you just not communicate that idea? Why / Why not?

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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So it's early Monday morning (well - early for me, I'm not really a morning person), and I'd love to have some good excuse for why I didn't do the 6.14 release yesterday on my regular Sunday afternoon release schedule. I'd like to say that some important last-minute thing came up and delayed things. But no. It's just pure incompetence. Because absolutely nothing last-minute happened yesterday, and I was just clearing…

He really has grown as a person. Ten years ago, there would have been no mention of it unless someone called it out, and the response to that would have boiled down to "f#ck off, it's free". ... Which also would have been relatable, and valid if we're being honest.

"f#ck off, it's free" is possibly an acceptable response if you're also working for free. If maintaining that free software is your job that you are getting paid good money to do, you really should hold yourself to higher standards.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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post #52
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with my sibling commentors, but I want to point out for people who do not go read the comment: this is not the off the walls Linus rant of the past. This is a very even-handed response where Linus tells people to calm down, that the purpose of linux-next is to discover problems, and that Rust is not causing all of the problems. At the very end there is a sentence or two that might be offensive, especially if…

I don’t think saying “he used to be worse” is a good defence. Has he gotten better? Yes. Is his email gone professional? No. I think you’re wrong about the end, it’s an unnecessary personal attack that’s only purpose is to insult and/or to make Linus feel better. If you remove the last two or three paragraphs it’s a perfectly fine constructive response. With them, it’s a shitty, unnecessary escalation.

I don't think a "he used to be worse" defense is a takeaway from the above. The comment mentions the past to highlight it's not like previous rants people may assume it might be like to encourage giving it a read. Separate explanations were offered for why they believe the message was a reasonable response in its own light.

I agree the last 2-3 paragraphs could be better but I disagree that's the bar for what's professional, let alone what is reasonable to stand out out of a month's worth of emails. It's also hard to square that message being so horrible by nature of being shitty and just to make Linus feel better - to me, these are more pointed and more personally directed statements than the supposedly problematic discourse they're about (though still relatively mild overall).

We aren't all perfect in communication all the time, even the most ideal professionals. A large part of good discourse is accepting reasonable amounts of people being human and de-escalating smaller perceived slights naturally before declaring the conversation can't be stood for. Jumping at the latter can cause well meaning and well received folks to feel bullied, which is the exact opposite to the goal of trying to keep a professional air to discussion. Hell, some of the times I've been more colorfully told to look in the mirror were the best things which could have been said to me at the time (even if they might not be reasonable things to have heard at other times).

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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>This driver is designed to emulate Windows NT synchronization primitives To me, anything that emulates windows primitives is a bad thing. Again these changes being pushed by Microsoft make me glad the BSDs exist. Lets hope the BSDs can continue staying independent of Large Corporations.

> To me, anything that emulates windows primitives is a bad thing.

To me, dogma is a bad thing.

> these changes being pushed by Microsoft

I don't think Microsoft has anything to do with NTSYNC. Its goal is to make running Windows games on Linux easier.

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