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Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by Nifty3929 »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #2

Heart attack at 63. What a shame. Guy worked at the company longer than I’ve been alive and all he has to show for it is an inheritance and obituary. Makes you wonder what we’re working so hard for.

Some people are working as hard as they can for humanity in general. It's still "for them" in the sense that this is what drives and motivates them. But we're all the winners. These are the folks that work long hours at the expense of their own health and family relationships. These are the folks that people ask about "don't they already have enough money" - when it's not about the money at all. It's about doing and creating and building something better for humanity. Sometimes these are our best corporate leaders, or government officials, or scientists, or even revolutionaries and cultural leaders.

I'm very grateful for these people.

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by gardenhedge »

yesimahuman wrote: post #34
mathgladiator wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good question. My home was recently destroyed by fire (not a total loss of dwelling, but 95% of contents due to smoke and water), and I'm quitting tech to accept being a rancher and body builder. I love tech, but tech doesn't love me. So, #yolo on to the next thing.

I sold my startup and got out of tech and I’m much happier. Didn’t fully understand how miserable the whole industry and the long hours sitting at the computer were making me. Good luck with the new life!

What was the startup?

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

#53

Post by yhavr »

rayiner wrote: post #42
maxloh wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's common for Asian people, especially Asian men, to work like hell for their parents and children, and not really think about what other life choices they have. That's caused by social values and expectations – people think you are disrespectful to your parents if you don't provide them and carry on the family name. That happened to my dad too. He worked really hard for his family, but as his child, it is crystal…

Is that an improvement, or is it just more of a western mentality? I was raised by asian parents (who had no life of their own), and my wife was raised by Anglo American parents (who “put more focus on their own life”). And from my perspective as a child, I’d rather have my upbringing than her’s. And I’m happy to pay it forward and do for my kids what my parents did for me. I think “choices” are vastly overrated. I d…

> I don’t think my kids would be happy if I quit my high paying job to pursue my dreams or whatever

Wasting life on a lifestyle one doesn't enjoy, just to raise another generation of life-wasters? I don't get this ponzi scheme at all.

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by organsnyder »

tmpz22 wrote: post #43
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #18

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Sorry for your loss. But may I ask, about the comment "I love tech, but tech doesn't love me" Where does this really arise from? I have some theories and feel free to tell me which one is the right one:- 1)Does this arise from the fact that tech is excessively used to create AI coder assistants to take the coders out in the first place 2)Does this arise from the fact that you feel as if you are a working machine in a…

Not OP but the business of western tech places absolute minimum value on individuals and relationship building. It's all short term gain at the expense of all else. I'd expect the average tech employee to live shorter less fulfilled lives despite their wealth. [1]: What makes a good life lessons from the longest study on happiness (Harvard) - https://www.ted.com/talks/robert_waldinger_what_makes_a_good... [2]: The se…

That may be true in many (even most) places, but it's not universal. I've found the most success when I'm able to build relationships, even at large well-known tech companies.

That being said, I strongly believe that it's never wise to find fulfillment solely—or even primarily—in vocation. Absolutely try to build a career that is life-giving, but there is so much joy and meaning to be found outside of work. We thrive in community.

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by eswat »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #2

Heart attack at 63. What a shame. Guy worked at the company longer than I’ve been alive and all he has to show for it is an inheritance and obituary. Makes you wonder what we’re working so hard for.

Pretty sure he lived a life past just having “to show for it is an inheritance and obituary.” He wasn’t an IC drone and this probably makes more sense if you’re in Korea.

Some people die sooner than expected but that doesn't mean their yardstick should be measured in quantity of years. What about quality?

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by lynch_autists »

yhavr wrote: post #53
rayiner wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that an improvement, or is it just more of a western mentality? I was raised by asian parents (who had no life of their own), and my wife was raised by Anglo American parents (who “put more focus on their own life”). And from my perspective as a child, I’d rather have my upbringing than her’s. And I’m happy to pay it forward and do for my kids what my parents did for me. I think “choices” are vastly overrated. I d…

> I don’t think my kids would be happy if I quit my high paying job to pursue my dreams or whatever Wasting life on a lifestyle one doesn't enjoy, just to raise another generation of life-wasters? I don't get this ponzi scheme at all.

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Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by makeitdouble »

rayiner wrote: post #42
maxloh wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's common for Asian people, especially Asian men, to work like hell for their parents and children, and not really think about what other life choices they have. That's caused by social values and expectations – people think you are disrespectful to your parents if you don't provide them and carry on the family name. That happened to my dad too. He worked really hard for his family, but as his child, it is crystal…

Is that an improvement, or is it just more of a western mentality? I was raised by asian parents (who had no life of their own), and my wife was raised by Anglo American parents (who “put more focus on their own life”). And from my perspective as a child, I’d rather have my upbringing than her’s. And I’m happy to pay it forward and do for my kids what my parents did for me. I think “choices” are vastly overrated. I d…

> Not that there’s anything else I would want to do!

That's the key part IMHO. If you're happy with the balance you landed on, why not.

I think some kids really benefit from the traditional Asian style, and they reach levels that would be hard to reach otherwise. The main issue is not all kids are in that boat, and they'll need to be miserable for a pretty long time before the parents change course and try alternative approaches (if they ever do).

Only the parents can decide if they want to force the square peg into a perfect round hole, and if the kid will thank them later or hate them for life (or jump through a window, shortening the waiting time). Even in Asia not all parents want to take that risk.

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by jonnybgood »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #44
mathgladiator wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good question. My home was recently destroyed by fire (not a total loss of dwelling, but 95% of contents due to smoke and water), and I'm quitting tech to accept being a rancher and body builder. I love tech, but tech doesn't love me. So, #yolo on to the next thing.

Just a heads up, this only works well if you have a nice cushion of cash to do it on. Someone with 30% tech ability will easily out-earn someone with 100% ranching ability. And have way more free time. And live way more comfortably. Don't be fooled, the greenest grass is in the tech sector (and finance too).

Not everything is about how much money you’ll make.

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by slightwinder »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #7
rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #2

Heart attack at 63. What a shame. Guy worked at the company longer than I’ve been alive and all he has to show for it is an inheritance and obituary. Makes you wonder what we’re working so hard for.

The guy was making ~$4M per year. Presumably he was living a quite nice and comfortable life.

Did he? Money is no guarantee for happiness or comfort. Considering his position and how young he died, he likely had a very stressful live, and little time for his personal enjoyments. At least, he hadn't enough time to take care of his own health.

My assumption is, he worked hard to gain money, and died before he reached the point where he could fully use it for his personal benefit. Which is indeed sad.

Re: Samsung CEO Jong-hee Han has died

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Post by bluGill »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #44
mathgladiator wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good question. My home was recently destroyed by fire (not a total loss of dwelling, but 95% of contents due to smoke and water), and I'm quitting tech to accept being a rancher and body builder. I love tech, but tech doesn't love me. So, #yolo on to the next thing.

Just a heads up, this only works well if you have a nice cushion of cash to do it on. Someone with 30% tech ability will easily out-earn someone with 100% ranching ability. And have way more free time. And live way more comfortably. Don't be fooled, the greenest grass is in the tech sector (and finance too).

Ranchers make far more money than you think. They have to manage years where they are losing $100,000 per month, but the good years they make more than enough to make up for that. The hard part is getting started. You can't make a ranch work on just a little bit of land, you need thousands of acres of land in an area where you can get to all those plots every day.

Getting bank loans on that means most ranchers start at 20 with a few acres (that is a ranching/farming hobby) and a full time job to pay the bills - the ranch itself isn't even paying for the land loans, but it is close and their job pays the rest. Then they build trust with the bank and buy more land as it becomes possible. At 40 they have paid off the initial land (or at least inflation means the payments are tiny in current money) and so they are generating enough income to quit the full time job and farm. At 60 they have paid off most of the land which is now worth millions and so are rich by any measure in ways most tech jobs cannot get to (though if you happen to be one of the lucky early people in in a successful startup you are doing much better, your odds as a rancher are probably better than that).

Beware though that ranching is physically hard on the body. Farming is one of the most dangerous jobs humans do, there is a real risk you will die before you get rich. Even if you do get rich there is real risk that you will be in poor health and unable to do it. Or you could end up like my uncle who loved the ranch so much he basically never left it - he died with millions in the bank while wearing clothes he had been patching for 40 years.

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