Why even train LLMs on books with commercial value? Does training on harry potter make an LLM solve real world problems better?
Meta pirated books to train its AI
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Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really dude? I think a solid argument can be made that facebook downloaded and shared pirated material with literally every ML employee they had at the time… EDIT: to those who downvoted, why? Do you disagree with what I said?
Sharing something locally doesn't fall under federal copyright law. They don't have jurisdiction.
You’re making up terms like “locally” and you’re moving the goalpost on your first (apparently incorrect statement)
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sharing something locally doesn't fall under federal copyright law. They don't have jurisdiction.
See 17 U.S.C. § 501 and DMCA. And define "locally" not that it matters.
Yeah right at the start it says
> who imports copies or phonorecords into the United States in violation of section 602, is an infringer of the copyright or right of the author, as the case may be.
Copying itself is infringing. OC has no clue what they’re talking about.
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is the golden rule. Whoever has the gold rules. Laws are for mortals, while big-tech can do whatever they please while channeling their masculine energy. Basically, behave in a self-serving manner violating basic norms such as dont do unto others what you dont want done to you. As content gets polluted with ai-garbage, human-generated content will regain value. Here is a startup idea: A startup that protects creat…
> while channeling their masculine energy What has this to do with masculinity? Is this cheap misandry?
It’s a direct quote of mark zuckerberg
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#55Why even train LLMs on books with commercial value? Does training on harry potter make an LLM solve real world problems better?
It does if you want AI to write fantasy prose with wizards.
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#57There seems to be a precedent with tech companies that if you do a lot of illegal stuff in the beginning you can count on either failing before it matters or you can buy your way out of the consequences. Bonus points if you induce regulatory capture to make sure no one else can follow in your footsteps. Please HN do your thing and prove me wrong or tell me the benefits to society outweigh the cons, because otherwise…
I can't prove you wrong and I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community (aka humanity as a whole) and doesn't pay anyone. Copyright may be broken, but the only realistic way to encourage creators is to give them money. We don't live in a utopia, and people need money to eat. Also, in France and as an individual, if I were to openly torrent all the c…
I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community
They are at least giving the model they trained back to the community. https://www.llama.com/llama-downloads/
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#58I "pirated" (read) books to train myself. I guess I owe authors a percentage of my income now.
Let’s look at this like food, instead of knowledge. You ate a donut, and you got energy. Maybe you’ve eaten 5 donuts per year, for 20 years…so a hundred donuts. Maybe you didn’t pay for all of them, you got some at work or at a friends house. They stole a billion donuts.
They stole a billion donuts.
There thousands of posts on HN defending digital piracy, mocking the government and groups like the RIAA that make poor analogies to theft of physical goods.
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#59They could force trained models to be open weight.
Llama models are open weights, so all is well
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
See 17 U.S.C. § 501 and DMCA. And define "locally" not that it matters.
Yeah right at the start it says > who imports copies or phonorecords into the United States in violation of section 602, is an infringer of the copyright or right of the author, as the case may be. Copying itself is infringing. OC has no clue what they’re talking about.
If you are copying locally you aren't importing it into the U.S.