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Re: We Should Own the Economy

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Post by ben_w » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 9:32 PM UTC

ActorNightly wrote: post #44

slibhb wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you think there are going to be elections in 2028, you are gravely mistaken. Care to make it interesting?

I mean, if I knew you in person, Id probably take 70:30 odds on a bet that there wouldn't be a fair election in 2028. Online its pretty pointless, as I can fake any evidence of me betting one way or another, and so can you. Even then, if I win, the money is going to be pointless as US dollar will tank hard.

> Even then, if I win, the money is going to be pointless as US dollar will tank hard.

You could always short the dollar, I guess?

I suspect Trump's policies will tank the dollar and thereby cause a swing against the Republicans larger than the most likely novice attempts by anyone in the US attempting to interfere with the election.

I don't think "being a dictatorship" will, by itself, put off investors. Only actual economic harm will do that.

Re: We Should Own the Economy

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Post by Muromec » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 9:43 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #47

Muromec wrote: post #45

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You don't have to tell me, I have this place stamped on my id card in a birth place field. I know the lore and I've seen the ugly stuff too. It's not the point what soviet union was -- the point is it's one of the practical things you get to when trying to achieve the idea.

> You don't have to tell me You're kind of the person who went off-topic here. Parent's point was that what's suggested in the article is communism, then you start involving the Soviet Union for some reason, although it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

I believe those things are all connected to both the discussion and the article at hand. Denying existence of a connection between the idea of collective ownership posed in the article with practical examples of attempt at collective ownership and problems that come with it, I think is ideologically motivated.

Understanding pathological cases is especially important and having ideological bias against communism could be as dangerous as the opposite.

Shallow dismissal of this is just not nice too.

Re: We Should Own the Economy

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Post by Muromec » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 9:48 PM UTC

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #22

datadrivenangel wrote: post #14

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Compulsion is mandatory, but it can be majority structured as positive suasion and emphasizing the benefits of collaboration.

I reject the phrasing of the OP. It's not compulsion. As a human being, I need food, shelter, etc. to live. To acquire these things, I must labor. Where's the compulsion in that? This is a category mistake.

Compulsion is in the amount of labor you need to perform, because you have to provide for food, shelter, etc for yourself and also make sure the rich have the riches, military has fancy toys and billionaries can play in colonization of mars.