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Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by scryers_bloom »

nodoll wrote: post #27
alistairSH wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump replaced NAFTA with USMCA during his first term. He claimed it was the best deal ever. This term, he's claiming the deal is terrible and starting a trade war (which is likely not winnable and probably ends up settling for something approximating NAFTA again). Which is it? Best deal ever, or crap? He's lying about one.

So I searched for "NAFTA USMCA difference" and there are a lot of articles that describe the differences. I agree that Trump sometimes exaggerate stuff, but that does not mean that there is nothing is there. I think It is very dishonest to claim that all the current administration is doing is just continuing what the previous ones did, but with changed names.

If we want to play the "whos more dishonest" game, we should probably look at what he said about his own trade agreement years later.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

preisschild wrote: post #41
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strategically important

You could also help defend Taiwan against illegal annexation and then you wouldn't need to have those facilities on-shore.

Bad things happen in war- why risk it? We can both defend Taiwan and build fabs in the US.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by _t9ow »

9283409232 wrote: post #30

Trump supporters tell me Trump isn't aiding China but then everything Trump does has a weird way of aiding China. Why would we repeal the CHIPS act and remove our ability to secure a domestic supply of chips?

> everything Trump does has a weird way of aiding China

This is also why Chinese netizens commonly refer to Trump as 川建國同志 (literally "Nation-Building Comrade Trump").

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by JohnTHaller »

alistairSH wrote: post #16
nodoll wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems to be the most likely procedure with the current administration. For example? Also please show that the major current on-going efforts, like ongoing negotiations, measures in the border etc, were worked upon as intensive as it is now, in the previous administration.

Trump replaced NAFTA with USMCA during his first term. He claimed it was the best deal ever. This term, he's claiming the deal is terrible and starting a trade war (which is likely not winnable and probably ends up settling for something approximating NAFTA again). Which is it? Best deal ever, or crap? He's lying about one.

As part of it, Trump signed the "deal" that had Canada supplying power to 3 states. The same thing he later railed against and wanted to know who could have possibly done it. It was him.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

almostgotcaught wrote: post #50
sanderjd wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still can, at least so far. But courts are slow.

> But courts are slow. You ever heard the thing about how if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water it'll jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowly turn up the heat it'll cook? That's us. We are cooked.

The boiling frog meme is about social normalization. The courts are not treating this as normal, they just have procedure to follow.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by sanderjd »

almostgotcaught wrote: post #50
sanderjd wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still can, at least so far. But courts are slow.

> But courts are slow. You ever heard the thing about how if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water it'll jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowly turn up the heat it'll cook? That's us. We are cooked.

I honestly don't feel like anyone feels like the water is heating up slowly. Just sitting here in a coffee shop for an hour, I've overheard about five different conversations about everything the current administration is screwing up, and I had another one at the bus stop this morning. People aren't unaware and they aren't happy.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by nodoll »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #47
nodoll wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I searched for "NAFTA USMCA difference" and there are a lot of articles that describe the differences. I agree that Trump sometimes exaggerate stuff, but that does not mean that there is nothing is there. I think It is very dishonest to claim that all the current administration is doing is just continuing what the previous ones did, but with changed names.

The point of the argument you were replying to was that Trump signed the USMCA in his first term, but it's now saying it's a terrible deal for the US and reason enough to start a trade war with Canada over. A deal he himself signed. Trump doesn't just exaggerate. Trump outright lies. Minute by minute.

Even if that is true, that only make him look better. He made a mistake and is now correcting it. Not sure why it is a bad thing.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by nirav72 »

sanderjd wrote: post #56
almostgotcaught wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But courts are slow. You ever heard the thing about how if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water it'll jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowly turn up the heat it'll cook? That's us. We are cooked.

I honestly don't feel like anyone feels like the water is heating up slowly. Just sitting here in a coffee shop for an hour, I've overheard about five different conversations about everything the current administration is screwing up, and I had another one at the bus stop this morning. People aren't unaware and they aren't happy.

Yet his approval rating is higher than its ever. There is a segment of the population that seems love the bull in the china shop approach to governance.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by esbranson »

Trump's SOTU for reference:

> Your CHIPS Act is a horrible, horrible thing. We give hundreds of billions of dollars and it doesn’t mean a thing. They take our money and they don’t spend it. All that meant to them. We’re giving them no money. All that was important to them was they didn’t want to pay the tariffs. So they came and they’re building. And many other companies are coming. We don’t have to give them money, we just want to protect our businesses and our people, and they will come because they won’t have to pay tariffs if they build in America. So it’s very amazing. You should get rid of the CHIPS Act and whatever’s left over, Mr. Speaker, you should use it to reduce debt or any other reason you want to.

Re: Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security

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Post by almostgotcaught »

sanderjd wrote: post #56
almostgotcaught wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But courts are slow. You ever heard the thing about how if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water it'll jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowly turn up the heat it'll cook? That's us. We are cooked.

I honestly don't feel like anyone feels like the water is heating up slowly. Just sitting here in a coffee shop for an hour, I've overheard about five different conversations about everything the current administration is screwing up, and I had another one at the bus stop this morning. People aren't unaware and they aren't happy.

> I honestly don't feel like anyone feels like the water is heating up slowly.

that is the entire point of the metaphor/idiom/parable - you do not feel anything - until it's too late - you're dead or in jail or homeless or deported.

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