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Moving away from US cloud services

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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by grahar64 »

Dzidas wrote: post #29

The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

Problem with Hetzner is they don't have the self hosted DCs in pacific region yet. They have Singapore for their PaaS solution, but if you want those cheap second hand servers then have to be in EU

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by moooji »

Dzidas wrote: post #29

The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

koyeb.com is an EU (France) alternative to fly.io

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by tonyhart7 »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #38
tonyhart7 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cant compare switzerland to china or russia lol its more like EU is 10, switzerland is 11 or 12

Then compare it to Singapore.

it is still better than russia or china, comparable to switzerland

I might argue it is better than switzerland, most asia pacific data center is in singapore for southern hemisphere

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by wkat4242 »

I don't like all of his suggestions, like startpage.

But I have very good experience with Scaleway, much more so than OVH or Hetzner. Hetzner demanded ID photos for everything. And OVH is a chaos. Scaleway is more like an Amazon type cloud and their support is really good and direct. Also cheaper than Amazon (and without the whole ratmaze of fee structures!)

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by throw310822 »

iagooar wrote: post #37

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Even if that were true, closely defending the interests of the US conflicts with defending the interests of the EU.

Besides, the example of the sanctions to the ICC provide a concrete case of unacceptable risk due to the new US policies. Even assuming that sanctioning the ICC in favour of Israel is defending the interests of the US.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by frereubu »

> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected.

This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeaway from this is that it's currently impossible in any meaningful sense. It feels like there's a real opportunity here for European companies to step up and make a big play, but will they? I really, really hope so. I'd jump ship in a heartbeat if I could.

Edit: To be clear, the reasons in brackets were the author's, not mine.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by wkat4242 »

noirscape wrote: post #45

A shame that OP recommends Proton. The fact they don't support open email protocols like IMAP/SMTP without an extremely frustrating proxy setup is what ultimately turned me away from their service. Being able to "just" use a native mail client is pretty much a must. The vendor lock-in from something like Proton feels way worse as a result. Can't speak to Proton Pass, but it strikes me as a replacement that seems unne…

Yes I'm not a fan of Proton either. Especially because they hammer so much on their "Encryption" thing while 95% of the mails you get will come unencrypted from one of the big tech parties, Google, Microsoft, Amazon. So what is the point, really? And because of this indeed it is very hard to connect to it.

Email is just dead as a tech. It's no surprise nobody uses it for sensitive content anymore but instead just uses it as a notification service ("Please log in to our portal to read your message").

I don't personally like bitwarden either because it uses a master password, I prefer "pass" which encrypts each password with your GPG key (which can be stored on a yubikey for hardware security). But yeah self hosted bitwarden is a good option too and very popular.

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