This is great. In my experience the single biggest thing that allows landlords to take advantage of tenants is the inaccessibility of real estate law. Anything that makes contract terms more easily understandable is a win, as far as I’m concerned. Linking to a comment I made about dealing with this: …one time a landlord didn't return the security deposit. I called him, messaged him, left notes in his mailbox. No repl…
Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal
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#52This is just adorable. To think that prospective renters have any negotiating power at all when the landlord typically (in my area anyway) receives triple digit numbers of applications.
Are you kidding me? Most laws in liberal cities where this might be true are so tenant skewed that I downright don't want the risk of them doing the "squat and take 6+ months to be evicted but not before trashing the place" routine. No thank you. I'll be a landlord in some red state where I can rely on the power of rich capitalists to make sure that squatters spend their time in jail/prison instead of moving onto yet…
This slowness of process is in fact a self reinforcing loop. Wherein it's possible to join a 6 month queue it makes sense for poor folks to do so. They might be able to get caught up or find adequate housing elsewhere. It can also even makes sense that that point to stop paying. If you fall $1000 behind and it is expected to take $3000 to move. If you should find it unlikely to be able to make up the $1000 in 30 days time and eviction should become inevitable but 6 months down the line.
At that point what is the logical thing? Should you continue to pay monthly as before but never catching up and find yourself living in a cardboard box in 6 months OR should you stop paying now and use the money to move in a few months.
The best resolution possible is to incentivize landlords to accept payment plans to bring tenants up to date whilst allowing resolution in 30-90 days wherein this isn't possible or reasonable. For instance when the tenant is damaging the property or otherwise violating the lease and can't be brought into compliance.
This aligns incentives. By agreeing to a payment plan the tenant is incentivized to make the landlord whole and the landlord is incentivized not to thrust the tenants family into the street lest he lose the expectation of repayment of the funds.
Because it isn't entirely objectionable from either side unlike losing 6 months of rent or homelessness we needn't fight a pointless legal battle over it. If it be the inevitable result of legal action the landlord will simply present it to the tenant as an option rather than pay a lawyer a substantial sum to find themselves on the same road.
The alternative imposes a very high cost on society in terms of human suffering and in fact monetarily because it spends a tidy sum per homeless person.
Lastly a squatter is someone who breaks into a property and sets up shop. Someone who lawfully enters into an agreement to live somewhere and ultimately fails to live up to their side of the obligation isn't a squatter and even in the red states hasn't committed a crime. They are a lawful resident until the eviction is fully processed and even should they outstay the judges order they will be removed by the police not processed into prison.
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I’m a small time landlord and I went the route of no leases. Everything is month to month. I think it’s a better deal for everyone. I collect first and last months rent at move in. I’m selective and do an internet search to see what I find. 3 years in and things are good. My first tenant is still living there I have had only 2 move out in less than a year. My thinking is that the relationship of providing housing is…
>My thought is that if we can’t work it out face to face no document will save the relationship and it’s best for everyone to move on.
I’m assuming you haven’t yet run into a situation when you decide it’s time everyone moves on but the tenant disagrees?
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a small time landlord and I went the route of no leases. Everything is month to month. I think it’s a better deal for everyone. I collect first and last months rent at move in. I’m selective and do an internet search to see what I find. 3 years in and things are good. My first tenant is still living there I have had only 2 move out in less than a year. My thinking is that the relationship of providing housing is…
Contracts aren't for things are going smooth. They're for when things go wrong. What if a tenant is constantly late on their payments? What if they're excessively noisy? What if they claim you're not fixing things on time?
This is called at will tenancy in my Commonwealth.
Here is what our relationship is based on.
https://www.mass.gov/doc/the-attorney-generals-guide-to-land...
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#55This is great. In my experience the single biggest thing that allows landlords to take advantage of tenants is the inaccessibility of real estate law. Anything that makes contract terms more easily understandable is a win, as far as I’m concerned. Linking to a comment I made about dealing with this: …one time a landlord didn't return the security deposit. I called him, messaged him, left notes in his mailbox. No repl…
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a small time landlord and I went the route of no leases. Everything is month to month. I think it’s a better deal for everyone. I collect first and last months rent at move in. I’m selective and do an internet search to see what I find. 3 years in and things are good. My first tenant is still living there I have had only 2 move out in less than a year. My thinking is that the relationship of providing housing is…
Contracts aren't for things are going smooth. They're for when things go wrong. What if a tenant is constantly late on their payments? What if they're excessively noisy? What if they claim you're not fixing things on time?
In either role, if it's month-to-month... either of you says to the other that it's not working out, give whatever the statutory notice is? And if the landlord didn't collect the last month's rent at the outset, maybe they end up eating a couple months' rent they would have made otherwise? And the tenant needs to scoot to find a new place, but like, it's fine?
If either party wanted the security of a lease for a longer term, they could have entered into one, but they didn't, so... that's the deal, right? Except for really egregious stuff that the law would have something to say about?
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Honestly, I think you’re going to run into UPL problems, and that residential renters typically have no power to negotiate lease terms.
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#58This is great. In my experience the single biggest thing that allows landlords to take advantage of tenants is the inaccessibility of real estate law. Anything that makes contract terms more easily understandable is a win, as far as I’m concerned. Linking to a comment I made about dealing with this: …one time a landlord didn't return the security deposit. I called him, messaged him, left notes in his mailbox. No repl…
That is a satisfying story but it makes me wish you stuck it to the landlord, as they're almost certainly doing that to every tenant and making a killing. I get that court takes time and everything, I just want to hear a story that ends in justice!
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#59This is great. In my experience the single biggest thing that allows landlords to take advantage of tenants is the inaccessibility of real estate law. Anything that makes contract terms more easily understandable is a win, as far as I’m concerned. Linking to a comment I made about dealing with this: …one time a landlord didn't return the security deposit. I called him, messaged him, left notes in his mailbox. No repl…
Huh???? do the tiny amount of paperwork and get the double, he won't learn until he feels the pain, you are not helping anyone with this choice
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a small time landlord and I went the route of no leases. Everything is month to month. I think it’s a better deal for everyone. I collect first and last months rent at move in. I’m selective and do an internet search to see what I find. 3 years in and things are good. My first tenant is still living there I have had only 2 move out in less than a year. My thinking is that the relationship of providing housing is…
What state is this in? This approach could be disastrous for you in some. >My thought is that if we can’t work it out face to face no document will save the relationship and it’s best for everyone to move on. I’m assuming you haven’t yet run into a situation when you decide it’s time everyone moves on but the tenant disagrees?
Down a few posts I posted the document published by Massachusetts attorney general that describes the relationships.